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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

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Essentially they actually keep all the different revisions that you make to it.

It's similar to an incremental backup used in data centers.
They keep the diffs, yeah. They don't actually make a full copy any time a small part of the file changes.
 
One of the Klingons was played by Glenn Hetrick, their lead makeup guy who helped make the new Klingons


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He's playing the namesake of a Klingon starship class???
 
They keep the diffs, yeah. They don't actually make a full copy any time a small part of the file changes.
That's right, it's normally incremental in the week with a big full backup on weekends.

Mainly due to how long full backups take, it can be 12/24 hrs or more for a full but only an hour or two for a partial.
 
My problem with VOY (at least one of them) was that I like the setting and universe of Star Trek. I like Starfleet, the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, whatever. You go to the Delta Quadrant...it's just another generic sci-fi show, and not a very compelling one at that.

Lets hope that 950 years in the future will be more imaginative than DQ...
 
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Well...let me see....

When I heard the announcement for DSC, I said I really wanted to avoid:

A Klingon War
Section 31

That didn't work out well, but I enjoyed it despite that.

I also really (SINCERELY) don't want a "Fallen Federation" arc...so I'll conclude it will probably happen and, based on my track record, that I'll probably end up liking it regardless.
Yeah I expected them to make it the Borg just to make it 3/3. :biggrin:
 
On the other hand, I am worn out by the lore and canon debates and would like a fresh start(ish) and some unexplored territory.

Me too! But holy hell, why couldn't they just go on a 5 year mission into unexplored territory, starting with season 3? Why did they need to go to the 33rd century?

The only reason I can see happening is even more lore and canon debates, about where everything is or should or shouldn't be in that timeframe. But now not just affecting the 23rd century - but bringing all these problems into the far future of the Trek universe as well, making the Picard show essentially a "prequel", and creating the same problems DIS had for all future 25th century shows as well!

Except if they do a full, hard reset again, and change the timeline so that DIS' adventures in the future never have happened either...
 
Holy shit talk about over-correcting your series' premise...

The episode itself? Was fine. I actually really liked it, save the last 5 minutes.

But as someone who just this season actually got into this show - invalidating everything what happened in these two years with a big "it's classified, we don't talk about it anymore" doesn't bode well with me at all.

And I honestly don't get what type of story-possibilites the 33rd century has to offer that the 23rd - outside of Federation space, if the ship actually went exploring - couldn't have offered as well. Except for extreme lore-galores of the future of familiar elements, planets and species. Which the previous two seasons have been. Which have now essentially been completely ereased from lore. Ugh.
Why is it so hard to believe that certain information can be something highly classified and not spoken about publicly under penalty of law?
Which eventually becomes mostly forgotten with time.
Our current military has been doing stuff like that since back before WWII.
 
That guy doing the debriefing at the end of the episode isn't wearing an admiral, or captain uniform. No gold on the shoulders.
 
Voyager's biggest problems conceptually were:
  • Totally abandoning the Starfleet/Maquis conflict as a potential source of conflict at the end of the pilot.
  • The desire to totally avoid serialization when it would have worked well with the premise - both from a standpoint of a ship beyond resupply and because the isolation of the crew should have meant a more intimate character- focused show.
I found it rather boring at times especially the earlier seasons, then Jeri Ryan joined the crew and my view of the show improved considerably. :biggrin:
 
Me too! But holy hell, why couldn't they just go on a 5 year mission into unexplored territory, starting with season 3? Why did they need to go to the 33rd century?

The only reason I can see happening is even more lore and canon debates, about where everything is or should or shouldn't be in that timeframe. But now not just affecting the 23rd century - but bringing all these problems into the far future of the Trek universe as well, making the Picard show essentially a "prequel", and creating the same problems DIS had for all future 25th century shows as well!

Except if they do a full, hard reset again, and change the timeline so that DIS' adventures in the future never have happened either...
If they want is free range to do anything they want, a parallel universe is ideal. The far future either means a super-advanced Federation or a disappointing one.
 
Spock's quarters at the end of the Episode is not the same set as in Episode.1

Episode 1 it was a redress of the brig, but the set in this episode is a redress of his room when he was on the Starbase.
 
Wow !
Fantastic episode, gave it a 9, my best mark of the series, there was so much to get excited about, but also there were some overly schmaltzy moments that took up too much time.
Loved the initial tension of the face off pre battle, the declaration by Reno that you can't "change the laws of physics" when Burnham asks her to half the time of the crystal charge (in clear homage to Scotty)
Loved the interaction of the two crews in battle, with Number One, Nhan, Cornwell, and Tilly being prominent.
Loved Georgiou, she's just evil immense and sexy hot.
Loved the triple split screen.
Loved Pike, he has to get his own show
Loved the way they tried to tie up unanswered questions relating to canon at the end. (Spore just had to go)
Confused as to why they would assume Control was neutralised and Leland was toast, what did Georgiou actually do to him in the Spore Chamber ?
Confused as to why they would jump into the future with the nanobots from Leland still on board.
Confused as to how Po became invisible in the midst of the battle and wasn't obliterated, ditto for Saru's sister.
The Klingons joining the battle was expected after Tyler's obtuse statement to Pike last week, something about him having to leave and do something before it all started.
I predicted a death of a semi major character, I went for Reno, but the writer's went for Cornwell
Again, confusion, how did that door isolate a blast that size from Pike and the rest of the ship ?
Things I didn't think sat well. . . .
Too much over sentimental schmaltz between Spock and Burnham, in the heat of a cataclysmic battle, they have time to be emotional.
The fate of all sentient life in the universe is at stake yet they are having a big hug (metaphorically).
I thought the battle scenes, despite the clear faithfulness of the CGI team to TOS style phasers, fell into the trap of being too "Star Wars"
It was just too much, too chaotic, almost to the point I expected to see a few X Fighters appear on the scene.
The bits I didn't like couldn't detract from a great finale.
Pike must get his own show (I know, I've already said that), even Spock in his blue uniformed, fresh shaven pomp couldn't outshine Pike.

And then there's Discovery, Stamets on the brink of death, induced coma, he can't die, can he ?
Probably not.
And what of Discovery ?
What of Discovery ?

Fucking great show.
 
I honestly can't see this massive reset as anything else but a no-conficence vote of the creators in their own creation. I have never seen a show making the decision to invalidate it's own show this much, no matter how much of a retooling and behind-the-scenes shamblings it inbetween had.

Like, some shows definitely improve from some major changes. "How I met your mother" would have been a lot better if they found the mother somewhere in the middle of the show and worked from there. But this is akin to throwing Ted and his kids out and turning it into "the Barney Stinson show". While still bearing the original name.

It's just....insane.
 
I honestly can't see this massive reset as anything else but a no-conficence vote of the creators in their own creation. I have never seen a show making the decision to invalidate it's own show this much, no matter how much of a retooling and behind-the-scenes shamblings it inbetween had.

Like, some shows definitely improve from some major changes. "How I met your mother" would have been a lot better if they found the mother somewhere in the middle of the show and worked from there. But this is akin to throwing Ted and his kids out and turning it into "the Barney Stinson show". While still bearing the original name.

It's just....insane.
The events still happened, so I don't see the issue.
 
I honestly can't see this massive reset as anything else but a no-conficence vote of the creators in their own creation. I have never seen a show making the decision to invalidate it's own show this much, no matter how much of a retooling and behind-the-scenes shamblings it inbetween had.

Like, some shows definitely improve from some major changes. "How I met your mother" would have been a lot better if they found the mother somewhere in the middle of the show and worked from there. But this is akin to throwing Ted and his kids out and turning it into "the Barney Stinson show". While still bearing the original name.

It's just....insane.

Didn't Fringe (another Kurtzman production) completely reboot with an alternate universe where none of the characters remembered what happened before for one season?
 
I am just wondering:

When Pike says: "Get it done!" Was that a conscious reference to Jellico or just a coincidence? If so then does that mean that Chris Pike is a Jellico kind of a guy rather than a Picard one?
 
If they want is free range to do anything they want, a parallel universe is ideal. The far future either means a super-advanced Federation or a disappointing one.

THIS.
Very much, this.
Or just be honest, and say it's a reboot or an elseworld-tale, where everything is the same as the original, except for the changes specifically mentioned.

But I never got how these new writers have THIS much problems with staying in "canon"? Like - literally EVERY story has it's own lore! No matter if you're writing for "Magnum" (he has a war backstory), "Transformers" (it has a Cybertron backstory) or various superhero movies (they all have previous stories and backstories).

How hard could it have been to just add a new story, with new characters to the lore, and be done with it? That's how you would do literally every other show as well, be it a cop show, a detective show, or a medieval fantasy adventure.

You don't just throw the entire thing away just because you fucked up the backstory a bit!
 
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