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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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For the most part, A.I.'s don't make family buying decisions,* change the channel, cancel streaming services, kill international syndication sales or take offense on the Internet and demand staff firings. They are the perfect commercially safe villains.
For now.
*Well, that's what Bezos wants us to believe, anyway...
If that's the lens through which you viewed the season, I understand why you didn't enjoy the season.
I can never read all the comments, so I don't know how prevalent this complaint is, but I noticed at least one instance where someone was saying it didn't make sense that the ships could sustain so much damage without being destroyed. While I do agree it was quite a bit of a beating on both ships (including the Enterprise losing 1/4 or so if it's saucer section), there has never been any consistent rule on how much damage ships can take. We have seen throughout Trek that a few hits can severely damage a ship, but we have also seen times where a ship has taken tons of damage and still be operational.
I usually think of this like superheroes/villians in comics. Depending on the writer, characters can seem to be very overpowered or underpowered compared to how they had been portrayed in the past.
I usually think of this like superheroes/villians in comics. Depending on the writer, characters can seem to be very overpowered or underpowered compared to how they had been portrayed in the past.
If they stick them in another galaxy then maybe I can live with it
If they are in the milky way and their ship isn't obsolete, nah not having it.
We know the major powers in every quadrant by the 24th century and there's zero logical reason that there would be any part of the milky way that wasn't full of technologically advanced races in 1000 years. The reapers aren't coming. This ain't mass effect.
Maybe SOME OF the races we know have died out or regressed for some reason, but others will have advanced and expanded.
I can't belive I'm having to explain this tbh.
Normally moving a file means it's still in the same place on the disk, but the computer changed its record of where it should appear in the folder hierarchy. That's why if you drag a file from one folder on your computer to another, the original disappears, but if you drag it to a n external drive you end up with two copies.
Moving a file to a different drive means copying it and deleting the original. But when you "delete" a file, the computer simply removes the tag that says "this is a file." The underlying data remains in place until new data gets written over it. That's how data recovery tools can restore deleted files. The only way to truly get rid of a file is by using a tool to lay random data over where the file had been.
Technology never really progresses in Star Trek.
The closest to it is that in the era of the Temporal Federation they've supposedly added "temporal" capabilities to everything and have helpfully tacked the word "Temporal" onto the beginning of all their terminology for ships, communicators, transporters, governments, etc.
So, the ship can take some off-camera time to receive "upgrades" to their phasers, shields, transporters etc and carry on being the same teleporter-using, ray-gun firing, forcefield-shielded, FastAssSumBitchDrive-capable Federation spaceship we've seen in the 22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th centuries and beyond.
The closest to it is that in the era of the Temporal Federation they've supposedly added "temporal" capabilities to everything and have helpfully tacked the word "Temporal" onto the beginning of all their terminology for ships, communicators, transporters, governments, etc.
So, the ship can take some off-camera time to receive "upgrades" to their phasers, shields, transporters etc and carry on being the same teleporter-using, ray-gun firing, forcefield-shielded, FastAssSumBitchDrive-capable Federation spaceship we've seen in the 22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th centuries and beyond.
Obviously in the Federation world of computer technology, things work a little differently.
Given the frequency with which the Star Trek universe is threatened with extinction-level events (especially from these writers), it's totally plausible some of them finally came to pass, devastating galactic society and substantially setting things back. It would be depressing storytelling and I'm not sure I like it, but logic-wise, it's an easy lift. Easier than many of the plot points they've already asked us to go along with.
I'm tempted to end with "I can't believe I have to explain this tbh", but that would be a very rude and obnoxious thing to say, so I shall refrain.
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So, let's see. It was mentioned on screen so it's officially the canon explanation. And, in fact, no other series mentions them again so we have later corroborating evidence that the approach works. No problem!
That assumes whenever they go has not regressed considerably, or even suffered more than one dark age and reemergence. Craft recognized Discovery as being from "the long ago" but he didn't seem to show any sign that it was necessarily that primative compared to what he was used to. Zora recognized the kind of wounds he had as being from pulse fire, so she was familiar to some degree with their weapons tech. The pod he was in was too badly damaged for her to fix, not too advanced, apparently. And Craft's stated plan was to take FunnyFace home, if he could, not ditch it for a 30th century ship as soon as he could find one.
That combined with the fact Craft's world seems agrarian (fishing, wheat farms etc) it almost seems less advanced than the 23rd century.
I got a chuckle at that. It reminded me of the Simpsons episode where it's revealed Skinner is a fraud. At the end the judge says "And nobody will ever speak of this again...under penalty of torture!"
I'm fine with it as an explanation for why we never hear of Discovery or Burnham again, even if it is a bit of a stretch. The writers were like "You want continuity? Fine, here it is."
I'm fine with it as an explanation for why we never hear of Discovery or Burnham again, even if it is a bit of a stretch. The writers were like "You want continuity? Fine, here it is."
So how does all this tie into "Calypso"?
That ep takes place a thousand years after DSC, with the ship abandoned and drifting for a thousand years. But now they're not quite that many years in the future (950, I think it was), and the ship still has its crew. So what happens now?
They'd have to send the ship back to 2257 and have it drift a millennium for the crew to pick it up. And I don't see why they'd do that, since the whole point was to get the ship to the future where Control couldn't get at it (unless, in the future, they find some way of emptying the sphere data).
Perhaps the trailer for "Calypso" is inaccurate, and it actually takes place a thousand years after the future the ship is now in?
They could have tried a method of travelling back in time which turned out to be deadly to everyone on board, so had to evacuate while the ship went back in time on its own, and then reboarded moments later, even if 1000 years passed for Discovery and when they reboard, boom, Zora!.
So, those are the only possibilities? Nothing else?! Glad you've got it all figured out. A world of possibilities narrowed down to just two. Wow.
Living Witness suggests that in the 3000s, the Federation still has no major DQ presence.
What do we really know about the 3200s? Enterprise's future scenes happen in the 3000s. Who knows what the aftermath of the temporal cold war is? If there was no grand disaster, the futurians should be just waiting for them, and season 3 should start by them just kinda going: "Heya Disco, good work. We'll take care of the sphere data, now we're sending you home."
Voyager's biggest problems conceptually were:
- Totally abandoning the Starfleet/Maquis conflict as a potential source of conflict at the end of the pilot.
- The desire to totally avoid serialization when it would have worked well with the premise - both from a standpoint of a ship beyond resupply and because the isolation of the crew should have meant a more intimate character- focused show.
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