Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Sakonna]

I fear the same for DSC S3. But, I actually fear the impact even more because I loved the TOS tie-ins etc, so those will also be a loss.

I loved them too! In another thread I was just posting about how this would have been the perfect end to season 1, because season 1 Disco had no interest whatsoever in being a prequel.

Then, Season 2 Disco switched direction and leaned hard into all the awesome aspects of being a prequel, really won me over to that, and then provided this time jump a year after the point at which it would have been the perfect storytelling choice. So now it can't help but feel a bit disappointing.

On the other hand, I also think it's entirely possible this particular writing team has used literally every good prequel idea they had, so it's best to shuffle them onto a blank slate before they completely muck it up again, and hopefully leave additional prequel fun to the staff of a Pike's Enterprise show. I really hope they have both the sense and and the wherewithal to make that a reality!

 

[XCV330]

From one device to another, a move is a copy then delete. Depending on how good their shredding software is, deleted might be recoverable. Even so, Trek has a long history of treating computer data like a physical file to be moved around (the EMH is the worst example) so Discovery is hardly unique. But when your key plot is about computer data, it might be worth thinking about.

Just theorizing. I can't imagine how file rights are handled in LCARS or Daystrom OS or whatever they use on Disco would work but for archival qbits set to move/no copy , the file is in paging while being moved and each qbit is destroyed from the originating location while moved to the next. If the quantum signature of the qbits are not correct at transfer, a page file dump would ensue, the original would return and the transfer file would be destroyed. The only real risk during transfer would be somehow pulling the transitional data from the paging system but again, if we're talking about quantum computing, it should have complicated identifiers to prevent that. but it's star trek. hacking involves typing really fast while BEEP BOOP sounds are made.

 

[Sakonna]

Did anyone else love the preposterously dramatic reveal of Spock's new styling decisions at the end? Many a time have I seen a woman's new haircut treated as a monumental sign of growth, the very culmination of her personal development, but I think this is the first time I've seen a man receive similarly overwrought treatment when changing his hair.

 

[Mr Awe]

If S3 opened on Pike, Spock, and Number One doing episodic missions on the Enterprise and never mentioned the Discovery, for fear of w/e, that'd be perfectly fine with me. But that'd be the radical, brave choice.

Wait, so somehow doing an episodic series (i.e., 20th century television) in a known time frame is a braver, more radical choice compared to traveling to the far future?! I think you don't understand the definitions of those words!

 

[Tuskin38]

I rewarched the battle scenes, the enterprise’s phasers do indeed use the TOS phaser sound, or one close too it.

Captioners are notoriously inaccurate when it comes to names.

And the CBS/Canadian subtitles say nothing. It just ends with ‘conn’.

Someone will have to ask the script writer and or Mount.

 

[Infern0]

If they have gone 1000 years or 700 years or w/e number it is, Discovery will be absolutely useless, the equivalent of a wooden raft to an f17

Heck, take out the deus ex machina drive and it's a steam train compared to a bullet train to the enterprise D

But this show is CALLED discovery so they are going to have to have them flying around in the antique. God forbid they get in any space battles with 30th century ships which SHOULD one shot them if they do

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I'm disappointed Pike's final command wasn't, "Giddyap!".

 

[JoeZhang]

If they have gone 1000 years or 700 years or w/e number it is, Discovery will be absolutely useless, the equivalent of a wooden raft to an f17

We simply don't know the situation - technology might have regressed for all we know.

 

[Mr Awe]

SMGs complete overacting didn't help the character either.

Wait, wait, I thought complaint was that she underacted and only had one or two facial expressions and couldn't show emotions. Suddenly now she's overacting?! You guys have to get your story straight!

 

[Infern0]

Wait, so somehow doing an episodic series (i.e., 20th century television) in a known time frame is braver, more radical choice compared to traveling to the far future?! I think you don't understand the definitions of those words!

It wouldn't be the brave choice

It'd be the choice that trekbbs posters wouldn't like but 90% of everyone else would

 

[Shon T'Hara]

So now either Discovery is 51,000 ly away or in the 32nd century. So season 3 will either be a Voyager rehash or about a crew and ship 930 years behind the times trying to assimilate into a future so distant even English should be gibberish to them. Both ideas sound uninteresting to me.

The problem with Voyager was never the concept. If the producers had taken the idea seriously, with the ship having limited resources that had to be carefully maintained, and internal tensions between the Fed and Maquis crew, it would've been a brilliant series, but instead they rehashed TNG stories about holodeck malfunctions and planets of the hats, and never kept track of how many shuttles the ship had. You only have look at BSG to see that idea done well. And the Disco writers have clearly taken lessons from BSG.

 

[cultcross]

Did anyone else love the preposterously dramatic reveal of Spock's new styling decisions at the end? Many a time have I seen a woman's new haircut treated as a monumental sign of growth, the very culmination of her personal development, but I think this is the first time I've seen a man receive similarly overwrought treatment when changing his hair.

Oh i dunno, the shaving of the beard scene is an age old symbol of "return from brief period of craziness to my calling". I think Jack Bauer did it twice

 

[Vger23]

If they have gone 1000 years or 700 years or w/e number it is, Discovery will be absolutely useless, the equivalent of a wooden raft to an f17

Heck, take out the deus ex machina drive and it's a steam train compared to a bullet train to the enterprise D

But this show is CALLED discovery so they are going to have to have them flying around in the antique. God forbid they get in any space battles with 30th century ships which SHOULD one shot them if they do

Why?

This whole Star Trek conceit that nearly every space-faring civilization has comparable levels of tech for the timeframe they are in is nonsense anyway. Who is to say that where / when they end up isn't a varied situation?

 

[Mr Awe]

If the Federation has been going for another 950 years when they get there what will be left to explore exactly. Plus what letter will the Enterprise have in that era.

The Andromeda Galaxy?

It's probably such an advanced letter that we haven't invented it yet!

 

[Sakonna]

Last season, before the finale started, I said to my friend "I can't wait to see how they end it! I just hope it doesn't end with them running into the Enterprise -- that would be stupid"

This year, before I the finale I said to the same friend "I just hope it doesn't end with the Enterprise warping off and we don't actually see where Disco is -- that would be stupid"

So, I have perfect predictive powers with Discovery in one very specific area -- underwhelming final scenes of finales!

 

[Visitor1982]

With the U.S.S. Discovery in the future, most likely premanently, an appearance of Prime-Lorca seems out of the question as well, unless he appears on the Section31 show...

 

[TrickyDickie]

I doubt they will go this route, but they could....

Kurtzman saying they will be facing bigger problems. Okay, what if the A.I. infected Georgiou, during the fight? Then they have to deal with that in the future....rid her of it somehow, before she can come back for the S31 show.

A.I....be it Control, the Borg, or Terminators....always seem very one-dimensional. What if they were to suddenly start manifesting human attributes, rather than just assimilating and squashing them? What if the A.I. likes Georgiou better than Leland? What if it wasn't just Georgiou that wanted to see him scream, but the A.I. too, because it finds being inside of Georgiou superior to Leland? And wanted to get even with him for being such a lousy host?

I don't know....I guess I'm tired of A.I. villains that just seem to twirl the mustache, too....

 

[Infern0]

We simply don't know the situation - technology might have regressed for all we know.

That would be stupid and make zero sense

So yeah most likely it'll happen

 

[Tosk]

Oh i dunno, the shaving of the beard scene is an age old symbol of "return from brief period of craziness to my calling". I think Jack Bauer did it twice

Same goes for the head. A male character shaving his head is often a dramatic reveal after they have done something that rocks them emotionally.

Kurtzman saying they will be facing bigger problems. Okay, what if the A.I. infected Georgiou, during the fight?

He also said that Control is done and dusted.

 

[Tuskin38]

But this show is CALLED discovery so they are going to have to have them flying around in the antique.

Discovery is more than just the name of the ship.