Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"

[Alan Roi]

That's something I was addressing in another thread as being an almost comforting DSC-to-TOS form of continuity:
"Gotta say, I cringed the first several times they used that phrase 'time crystals,' but now I think it has kind of a 'retro' sound to it that works well with TOS lingo that was usually simpler in nature than the meaningless technobabble of later series (mainly VOY). Now I cringe and also smile when they say it."

Not so retro considering in 2012 that term was used in a scientific paper to name a new state of matter and validated in 2017. Cringing at the term IMO is akin to cringing when someone says 'The Big Bang" or "Cosmic Strings" or even,"Dark Matter".or "Dark Energy or "Liquid Crystal."

Oddly (among fans it seems) I've always cringed at the term 'Chroniton'.Those and other Berman era made up particles always seem to me to be what belongs in 50's schlock scif say, "The Revenge of Dr. Chroniton".

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Not so retro considering in 2012 that term was used in a scientific paper to name a new state of matter and validated in 2017. Cringing at the term IMO is akin to cringing when someone says 'The Big Bang" or "Cosmic Strings" or even,"Dark Matter".or "Dark Energy".

It's more of a cringe with regards to fantasy-sounding terms vs. sci-fi. But very valid points & good examples, for sure.

 

[GNDN18]

So chronoton particles trapped in a crystal matrix is good?

 

[Fateor]

Or they took inspiration from a real world location called Iceland which has both active volcanoes and ice and snow.

It was a lava planet with no oceans...

 

[Disco!Disco!]

As I continue to think upon the parallels between the poH qut and the Orbs of the Prophets in DS9, I am reminded of Kira's conversation with Mirror-Bareil in "Resurrection" (DS9) about how Orb experiences are difficult to explain and meant to be kept to oneself alone...

MIRROR-BAREIL: When you had your first Orb experience, did you understand it?
KIRA: I don't know that anyone fully understands an Orb experience. Not at first, anyway. You have to live with it for a while, absorb it.
MIRROR-BAREIL: And then?
KIRA: And then, one day, it...becomes a part of you, part of who you are.
MIRROR-BAREIL: I thought I would get a glimpse of the future. It was more than that. It changes you. There were so many images I couldn't keep track of them all... He was there, Vedek Bareil. We were together, talking, but it was all mixed up... I was him, he was me... It's all very confusing.
KIRA: I don't think we should be talking about this.
MIRROR-BAREIL: If I can't tell you about it, who can I tell?
KIRA: No one. An Orb experience isn't meant to be shared.​

In some aspects, it echoes (or rather, is echoed by) Tenavik and Pike's comments here.

-MMoM

It's funny because this scene contradicts the scene in "The Circle" when Prime Bareil asks Kira if he was in her orb vision, and reveals she was in his.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was a lava planet with no oceans...

And....?

 

[SJGardner]

Not so retro considering in 2012 that term was used in a scientific paper to name a new state of matter and validated in 2017. Cringing at the term IMO is akin to cringing when someone says 'The Big Bang" or "Cosmic Strings" or even,"Dark Matter".or "Dark Energy or "Liquid Crystal."

Oddly (among fans it seems) I've always cringed at the term 'Chroniton'.Those and other Berman era made up particles always seem to me to be what belongs in 50's schlock scif say, "The Revenge of Dr. Chroniton".

Imagine if modern scientific terms were created by the same people who write Trek technobabble... instead of the Big Bang, we'd get a Rapid Primordial Volumetric Expansion Event.

 

[Fateor]

And....?

Snow requires this thing called "frozen water'.

 

[Mike Farley]

(Dr. Boyce trying to cheer up Pike post accident)
Boyce: As you remember me saying, a man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away. Right Chris?

Pike: Beep.... BEEP!

"Double yes!"

 

[Alan Roi]

Imagine if modern scientific terms were created by the same people who write Trek technobabble... instead of the Big Bang, we'd get a Rapid Primordial Volumetric Expansion Event.

Goes to show you how much those revered technobabble writers know about how snarky and goody real scientists can actually be.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Snow requires this thing called "frozen water'.

Did we see the entire planet?

 

[Kemaiku]

Did we see the entire planet?

From orbit, twice. More than some planets in the franchise.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

On a side note, I really wish nobody would ever again connect anything to do with Seth MacFarlane with Trek - under any circumstances. Ever. Again. Thank you.

Why? Now that MacFarlane has Brannon Braga as his trusty "Number One" how can we not connect Seth to Trek (especially since the two are currently ripping off said franchise)?

Btw, I'm not a "nobody." I am a SOMEBODY!

 

[Nerys Myk]

From orbit, twice. More than some planets in the franchise.

And are we surmising there is no water on the entire planet? No lakes, no rivers, no ponds and no streams? No underground water tables?

 

[Tuskin38]

Why? Now that MacFarlane has Brannon Braga as his trusty "Number One" how can we not connect Seth to Trek (especially since the two are currently ripping off said franchise)?

They're not ripping it off.

 

[Kemaiku]

And are we surmising there is no water on the entire planet? No lakes, no rivers, no ponds and no streams? No underground water tables?

You know fine rightly that anything alien in Star Trek is rendered down to it's most simplistic form without any variety that exists in the real world

I mean all of Vulcan is a red desert, or was until a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You know fine rightly that anything alien in Star Trek is rendered down to it's most simplistic form without any variety that exists in the real world

I mean all of Vulcan is a red desert, or was until a couple of weeks ago.

Progress!

 

[Kemaiku]

Progress!

Yup, in just 50 more years, Andoria will now have warmer climes near the equator. Then we'll get to the rest one by one in order.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

From orbit, twice. More than some planets in the franchise.

We've already talked about Iceland as a real-world example, but Hawaii also gets snowfall in addition to having plenty of volcanic activity. It has to do with something called elevations. Monasteries are commonly built at high elevations. It doesn't take CGI.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yup, in just 50 more years, Andoria will now have warmer climes near the equator. Then we'll get to the rest one by one in order.

Is Star Trek fandom ready for complex environmental systems?