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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"

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I think it may have been, perhaps Ash's Section 31 landing party jacket that he borrowed, or at least his commbadge attached to a standard cold weather Starfleet landing party jacket so Pike wouldn't have to carry a much larger and bulkier piece of technology inside a sacred monastery.

It was solid black. It looked more like the insignia on Burnham's prison uniform from "Context is for Kings".
 
Dilithium really doesn't do anything super magical. It is not even strictly required for the Warp Drive (which is basically an Alcubierre Drive,) it is just used to channel the massive energies of the anti-matter reaction which is required for high warp speed. And it certainly does jack shit when not attached to the engine.
 
While I don't entirely mind the concept of magic time distorting crystals, I do find the term "time crystal" itself to be rather annoying. It puts me in mind of a story from a friend who knew somebody who'd once asked him how he could get hold of some science crystals to make him smarter...
 
Dilithium really doesn't do anything super magical. It is not even strictly required for the Warp Drive (which is basically an Alcubierre Drive,) it is just used to channel the massive energies of the anti-matter reaction which is required for high warp speed. And it certainly does jack shit when not attached to the engine.

Basically it's filled with tunnels that prevent the thin streams of antimatter touching it as it passes through to contact matter, while still providing a focusing medium instead of an open contact.

Except for Into Darkness where the two streams are allowed to arc into each other...somehow.
 
Yeah. I seem to remember this being a big complaint against Voyager.
Well, that certainly was one of my many issues with that show. Technobabble can be dangerous. The world and the story loses cohesion, if you can just technobabble anything to happen.
 
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It is if it’s a TV show choosing to stay away from a manufactured plot convenience.
What “plot conveniences” aren’t manufactured? Stories are not discovered inchoate and later revealed; all narrative is made by showing how A leads to B. For instance, the time travel shown in “The Naked Time” was intended to lead to “Tomorrow is Yesterday”. The two-part episode was abandoned, but the vestige of that idea remained if only to tie up the earlier references to time and antimatter.
 
For instance, the time travel shown in “The Naked Time” was intended to lead to “Tomorrow is Yesterday”. The two-part episode was abandoned, but the vestige of that idea remained if only to tie up the earlier references to time and antimatter.

I thought that was debunked somewhere along the way?
 
What “plot conveniences” aren’t manufactured?

Not all plot is created equal. A story about Nazis attacking is no surprise. One about Nazis from the future takes effort. If it’s a well told story and not followed by Visigoths from the future also attacking, you let it slide and enjoy. If the Visigoths do, you wonder 1) if that story is told super well enough to let it slide or 2) what else is on.
 
The Guardian is an artificial construct. Time Crystals are a mineral. The Guardian is singular and uncooperative. Time Crystals could be the single greatest threat in the history of the Star Trek universe. If you don't get how those are different and problematic, I can't help you.
Star Trek is full of "greatest threats." It's a part of the show.

I don't need help because Star Trek is full of fake tech and fantasy tech that doesn't bother me. I'm not going to pretend it's scientific in any way.
Its about suspension of disbelief. Time Crystals are, to be blunt about it, idiotic. It takes work to look past them unlike how it does the Guardian. The Guardian in fact intrigues and is the opposite of work. Again, earth wind fire and water "medicine" requires you to work to accept it. Even then, you don't. Work is rationalizing the crystals being remnants of ancient tech. As they are, you take crystals merely as Fantasy.
Time Crystals intrigue me. Star Trek fans have worked to make things connect together for years. It seems that only DSC doesn't receive that consideration.
I think the use of phlebotinum embarrasses some people. They appear think Star Trek is supposed to be above that sort of thing.
I think so.
I would call it "science fantasy." Very little of the "science" in Trek has any connection to reality, no matter how couched it is in science-y jargon or venerated it is by fans. They get so much of even basic science wrong—as basic as orbit and gravity in some episodes—and that's fine. But it is a lot closer in genre to Star Wars than it is 2001.

Precedent is not excuse.
It really is.
Well, that certainly was one of my many issues with that show. Technobabble can be dangerous. The world and story loses cohesion, if you can just technobabble anything to happen.
Unfortunately, Star Trek went to warp on that a long time ago.
 
It really is.
This is something I vehemently disagree on. If the standards on any area for a new Star Trek series is the lowest point any previous series reached, then we really don't have standards. That something stupid happened in previous iterations is not a reason to repeat it. Indeed, one would hope that the past mistakes would be something one could learn from.
 
Not all plot is created equal. A story about Nazis attacking is no surprise. One about Nazis from the future takes effort. If it’s a well told story and not followed by Visigoths from the future also attacking, you let it slide and enjoy. If the Visigoths do, you wonder 1) if that story is told super well enough to let it slide or 2) what else is on.

Except in ENTERPRISE they weren't Nazis from the Future...
They were Aliens from the Future that convinced some of the Nazis during that time period to let them be in control, with their future tech.
And all the time, those Future Aliens were plotting against a future Federation Starship Captain and really had no interest in what the Nazis' goals were beyond getting them to help build the alien contraption.
It was certainly very convoluted, but I found it to be quite an entertaining story.
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Except in ENTERPRISE they weren't Nazis from the Future...
They were Aliens from the Future that convinced some of the Nazis during that time period to let them be in control, with their future tech.
And all the time, those Future Aliens were plotting against a future Federation Starship Captain and really had no interest in what the Nazis' goals were beyond getting them to help build the alien contraption.
It was certainly very convoluted, but I found it to be quite an entertaining story.
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It still confuses to me as to why they would build their machine in New York, and not somewhere in Europe where the Nazi's would have had a more solidified control.
 
This is something I vehemently disagree on. If the standards on any area for a new Star Trek series is the lowest point any previous series reached, then we really don't have standards. That something stupid happened in previous iterations is not a reason to repeat it. Indeed, one would hope that the past mistakes would be something one could learn from.
You can disagree all you want. I don't like it, and certainly, don't support it. But, it doesn't break immersion for me either because of it as part of Star Trek to me.
 
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