A Borg reveal would probably be the greatest test of my love for this show. I've been enjoying the relative lack of TNG-era content.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"
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A Borg reveal would probably be the greatest test of my love for this show. I've been enjoying the relative lack of TNG-era content.
You know, I've been thinking something along these lines. Not actually a romantic relationship, but I keep hoping to see a deep friendship form between them. I just think it would be a poetic outcome. Wet already got a glimpse of this being possible after their fistfight, but I'd love to see more development of it.
We can't? Why not? There's plenty of time between the present Discovery time and the several months prior to The Menagerie when the accident happens.
Remember in Conspiracy, Picard and Riker have to crank their phasers to maximum kill before they'll affect Remmick, and even then his body burns away slowly rather than vaporizing. If a critter in your gut can do that, surely Control's nanobots can as well.
Well, time crystals you know. 100 years of history for the rest of the galaxy but a million years on Boreth!It did look cool. Though it must have gone through some massive climate change in the 100 year between this episode and "Rightful Heir."
One minor complaint about season 2 from me, is that they just havent had any time to tap the breaks an have enough of those moments of actual living on this show. I'd be happy to give up next season's UNIVERSE ENDING THREAT to enjoy a bit of that.
Discovery is sent off to the future to put it out of Control's reach as we saw in short treks. And the we continue making "Discoveries" on board the Enterprise for the rest of the series.
I've yet to see anyone make the messianic connection in the episode. Pike entering the time crystal chamber is similar to Christ's night of agony in the garden of Gethsemane.
Pike like Christ must accept the horrific fate that awaits him to save the greater good.
Pike like Christ must accept the horrific fate that awaits him to save the greater good.
To my mind, it just seemed like a clear continuity violation. We've been to Boreth one other time, it was presented as a fundamentally different place then, and the version of Boreth we were shown in this episode had timeless properties that would not have been altered by the intervening time.
Obviously opinions on whether the continuity violation is justified or satisfying will vary (and ultimately I was very satisfied with the story they told, this episode was fantastic). And of course they could subsequently resolve the violation, as they've done with other plot points on this show, and we can already imagine our own fixes if we want (the time-crystals were subsequently shipped off-world after everyone figured out what the monks were up too!).
I just don't understand why Disco keeps setting up such long walks for themselves in this area. Introducing seeming continuity violations that they intend to subsequently resolve with plot gimmicks strikes me as wasted energy. Why change what Boreth is when it's just as easy to go to a Klingon planet other than Boreth? Why shout-out to and disregard continuity at the same time? Who is it for? To the new viewer it's meaningless, and to the established fan it's a distraction. That's the blemish that knocks this down to 2nd best Disco ep -- "If Memory Serves" is on top because it knew how to use it's continuity shout-outs as seamless enhancements of the central story, whereas this episode employed them in ways that took me out of it.
I can get excited about fanboy-continuity-porn, and I can get excited about bold reinventions that cut themselves off from the past and start fresh. Both can be great! What I do want (from any show I watch) is for them to have a clear idea about what they're doing, and Disco's attitude towards continuity has often been very confused.
Though obviously this season has been a thousand times better on this score than season 1, their picture of what they want to do as a prequel has come into much sharper focus (they've truly earned the Michael retcon with how fantastic the story with her and Spock has been). It's hard to know how many of the continuity hiccups have been intentional creative decisions and how many have been behind-the-scenes turmoil. Maybe one day we'll get a full season without a showrunner firing, and get to find out!
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In the first season, Harry Mudd got ahold of some time crystals, and Michael hypothesized that they were from some 4-D beings, as no known species had been known to stabilize them before.
Now, we know that the Klingons found a planet (in fact, Kahless pointed to it!), full of natural(?) time crystals. It was stated that no Klingon or otherwise had left the monastery with time crystals before, but I feel that they implied otherwise and it was definitely an achievable feat. They just try to keep low those who have taken crystals.
Why am I bringing this up? Maybe, with Mudd's ties to the Klingon Empire (probably a paid agent when we first meet him), he found the time crystals on Boreth too tempting not to nab, and either stole them in the heist to end all heists, or somehow went through a similar test as Pike.
Mudd has had a lifetime of adversity, so it could be that anything in his future isn't as bad as the worst time in his past, so he happily looked at his Worst Case Scenario and accepted it. Hell, he might have gleefully done so, knowing he'll survive to see himself get stabbed to death by an angry Nausicaan at the age of 80 or something. That means he always lives to see another day (until he reaches 80).
Now, we know that the Klingons found a planet (in fact, Kahless pointed to it!), full of natural(?) time crystals. It was stated that no Klingon or otherwise had left the monastery with time crystals before, but I feel that they implied otherwise and it was definitely an achievable feat. They just try to keep low those who have taken crystals.
Why am I bringing this up? Maybe, with Mudd's ties to the Klingon Empire (probably a paid agent when we first meet him), he found the time crystals on Boreth too tempting not to nab, and either stole them in the heist to end all heists, or somehow went through a similar test as Pike.
Mudd has had a lifetime of adversity, so it could be that anything in his future isn't as bad as the worst time in his past, so he happily looked at his Worst Case Scenario and accepted it. Hell, he might have gleefully done so, knowing he'll survive to see himself get stabbed to death by an angry Nausicaan at the age of 80 or something. That means he always lives to see another day (until he reaches 80).
I thought they said nobody had left with a crystal without great personal cost... or something to that effect.
We also got for the first time that year ...
Dark Shadows
The Monkees
Family Affair
Mission: Impossible
The Rat Patrol
The Green Hornet
Daktari
The Newlywed Game
That Girl
The Time Tunnel
The Girl from U.N.C.L.E
&
The Hollywood Squares.
It was a damn good TV year!
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The UT has extremely high emotional intelligence -- it can tell exactly when the characters involved wish to be translated and when they wish to speak privately.
I dunno, those explanations don't work for me so much. We saw Stamets willing to do those 150-ish consecutive jumps probably to death last season, and that was just to save the entire Federation. Now we're trying to save (shot!) all sentient life in the galaxy. And keeping it safe just for now would be fine -- they're faced with imminent defeat, so buying any time is a victory, and if they jump over to visit the Kazon that'll give them a reasonably sizeable buffer to consider other solutions, if not infinite time.
YES! A thousand times yes! For example, in this episode, how much did I want the transporter room scene of L'Rell arriving and just taking a few lines to reflect on her changed circumstances -- she spent months on this ship as a prisoner and now returning as a chancellor, it's the place where she quasi-killed the love of her life -- you could have some fun dialogue and good character reactions about this between her and whoever's greeting her!
Heh, now I want the scene of L'Rell and Stamets commisserating about their romantic troubles. They both loved men who died but came back and continue to walk around today as somewhat different but somewhat the same people!
With regard to pigment, that's very true.
When it comes to light, however, green and blue have two distinctly different and mutually exclusive frequencies and wavelengths. Green operates at a frequency of 530 - 600 THz (500 - 565 nm wavelength) and blue at 620 - 680 THz (450 - 485 nm wavelength). They never overlap.
As a BIG fan of TOS who saw the third season first run (I was 6) - I do like what they did with the 1701 Bridge.Woo-hoo!
As for the 1701 exterior model, I like that they did match the color of the original, like the Saucer, Secondary Hull and the Nacelles; but I honestly can't stand the swept back and 'split' nacelle struts. If they were straight up split nacelle struts or a slightly swept back nacelle struts, I could live with it, but for me that combo is too much and I just don't care for that aspect of the 'Disco-Prise'. (YMMV)
Why not both? (Explanation: Pike saw 'the future' in his own mind. So, the actual events and elements in 'reality' 10 or so years later look a bit different.Memory-Alpha users asking the most important questions
So they don't need to change the name of the show.
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L'Rell and Tyler's conversation was only in Klingon for our benefit. Pike heard every word they said without missing a beat (in my opinion, it's possible he just got the gist of what they were saying).
L'Rell and Tyler both know English and Klingon. It's likely we're "listening" from their POV, where the conversation switches when they switch language. Alternatively, L'Rell is just speaking Klingon the whole time, but Tyler only steps in in Klingon when the emotions overcome him and the scene shows us this shift, but Pike and L'Rell only pick up that he's yelling now.
L'Rell and Tyler both know English and Klingon. It's likely we're "listening" from their POV, where the conversation switches when they switch language. Alternatively, L'Rell is just speaking Klingon the whole time, but Tyler only steps in in Klingon when the emotions overcome him and the scene shows us this shift, but Pike and L'Rell only pick up that he's yelling now.
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