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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"

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Just finished the episode. Not half bad, but quite predictable. Putting the pieces of the puzzle together. Mystery of the red signals still remains.

Looks like they're gonna sync up with Calypso. This ensures the spore drive is unavailable from TOS-VOY. Wondering where Season 3 is gonna be set. 1000 years in the future?

Enterprise back in action for the last two.
 
There's no reason for Pike to keep quiet about what he's seen. At all.

It would have been better if, after L'Rell and Tyler ask Pike what he sacrificed, he said, "I don't remember, but I think it was something important." That would have worked with canon better.

As it is, Pike has no reason to stay in Starfleet for another 10 years. He knows something bad happens in a Starfleet ship. By all rights, he should resign after this Discovery business is over and never look back.

Since when did Pike become such a hardcore Starfleet cheerleader anyway? Just 3 years ago, in-universe, he was seriously contemplating ditching Starfleet to join the Orion colony.

Also, he would be required to tell what happened in his report to Starfleet Command. Although this is the same Starfleet Command that knew all about what would happen to the Defiant...

In any case, Dr. Boyce should come up and say, "Chris, I read your report, and you know what, your instincts were right after that Rigel mission all those years ago. Take this one way ticket to the Orion colony, and don't look back."
 
Well, that would be different. But I don't think they will. I don't think they'll ever make a series about Kirk's Enterprise as long as Paramount wants to make movies in that setting. The Abrams films might have been shelved, but I'm dead certain they'll re-reboot the films with Kirk and crew some time in the 2020s.

They ran the Kirk reboot into the ground. Paramount will have to move to rebooting TNG next.
 
There's no reason for Pike to keep quiet about what he's seen. At all.

It would have been better if, after L'Rell and Tyler ask Pike what he sacrificed, he said, "I don't remember, but I think it was something important." That would have worked with canon better.

As it is, Pike has no reason to stay in Starfleet for another 10 years. He knows something bad happens in a Starfleet ship. By all rights, he should resign after this Discovery business is over and never look back.

Since when did Pike become such a hardcore Starfleet cheerleader anyway? Just 3 years ago, in-universe, he was seriously contemplating ditching Starfleet to join the Orion colony.

Also, he would be required to tell what happened in his report to Starfleet Command. Although this is the same Starfleet Command that knew all about what would happen to the Defiant...

In any case, Dr. Boyce should come up and say, "Chris, I read your report, and you know what, your instincts were right after that Rigel mission all those years ago. Take this one way ticket to the Orion colony, and don't look back."

People can change in 3 years and Pike's issue was with losing people. You seriously think he would be able to walk away from Starfleet knowing that if he does a heap of cadets are going to die?
 
There's no reason for Pike to keep quiet about what he's seen. At all.

It would have been better if, after L'Rell and Tyler ask Pike what he sacrificed, he said, "I don't remember, but I think it was something important." That would have worked with canon better.

As it is, Pike has no reason to stay in Starfleet for another 10 years. He knows something bad happens in a Starfleet ship. By all rights, he should resign after this Discovery business is over and never look back.

Since when did Pike become such a hardcore Starfleet cheerleader anyway? Just 3 years ago, in-universe, he was seriously contemplating ditching Starfleet to join the Orion colony.

Also, he would be required to tell what happened in his report to Starfleet Command. Although this is the same Starfleet Command that knew all about what would happen to the Defiant...

In any case, Dr. Boyce should come up and say, "Chris, I read your report, and you know what, your instincts were right after that Rigel mission all those years ago. Take this one way ticket to the Orion colony, and don't look back."

Sisko (to Worf): I once considered resigning from Starfleet too. I know if I had, I would've regretted it.

Sisko (to Worf): Running away helps for a little while but sooner or later, the pain catches up, and you have to stand your ground. A Starfleet Officer, that's what I am, and that's what I'll always be.

"The Way of the Warrior" is also three years after "Emissary".

So, anyway, as you were saying...
 
People can change in 3 years and Pike's issue was with losing people. You seriously think he would be able to walk away from Starfleet knowing that if he does a heap of cadets are going to die?
If he wasn't there someone else would have saved them. Maybe even a faster and more durable species.

Even if he doesn't walk away, he should be shouting what he saw to everyone to try to prevent it.
 
They ran the Kirk reboot into the ground. Paramount will have to move to rebooting TNG next.

I don't think so. Beyond simply under-performed. It didn't tank like Nemesis did. TNG may be viewed as a Classic TV Series but, as a Film Franchise, it's toxic. I don't think they'll touch it with a 10-foot pole. When it comes to the Big Screen, I think they'll stick to rebooting TOS. But that's a whole other topic we can talk about some other time, elsewhere. ;)

Right now, I'm much more interested in talking about this week's Discovery.
 
There's no reason for Pike to keep quiet about what he's seen. At all.

It would have been better if, after L'Rell and Tyler ask Pike what he sacrificed, he said, "I don't remember, but I think it was something important." That would have worked with canon better.

As it is, Pike has no reason to stay in Starfleet for another 10 years. He knows something bad happens in a Starfleet ship. By all rights, he should resign after this Discovery business is over and never look back.

Since when did Pike become such a hardcore Starfleet cheerleader anyway? Just 3 years ago, in-universe, he was seriously contemplating ditching Starfleet to join the Orion colony.

Also, he would be required to tell what happened in his report to Starfleet Command. Although this is the same Starfleet Command that knew all about what would happen to the Defiant...

In any case, Dr. Boyce should come up and say, "Chris, I read your report, and you know what, your instincts were right after that Rigel mission all those years ago. Take this one way ticket to the Orion colony, and don't look back."

Boyce is the one who mocked Pike when he said he'd go back home and ride his horses if he left Starfleet. Then he mocked Pike when he suggested instead going into business on Regulus or in the Orion colonies. His advice to Pike was that he belonged in Starfleet. "A man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he... turns his back on it and starts to wither away."

And I thought the point of the Cage, with Pike never doing anything but trying to get back to the Enterprise, was that Pike was over his post-Rigel funk.
 
Oh, and now that it's been canonically established the spore drive is working again, I really don't see how Control could ever find Discovery. They could jump it to the past, the future, 50 billion light years away, to an alternate universe, etc.

That's the whole problem with having multiple types of magic tech just sitting around.
No one on Discovery even seems to realize they have a Time Travel drive. Predictable/navigable or not, it's never even been mentioned again. Almost like it was purely plot-driven silliness that they arrived "too late" last season and no one could think of a way to make it happen through a motivation internal to the events themselves.

If I accidentally time-traveled and it caused millions of deaths, my first thought would surely be "hey, can that go both ways...?"

But they have a Time Crystal now, so I guess that's better. Not sure how anyone there knows how to use one, but I bet Stamets & Reno will figure it out. It's a shame she knew nothing about the signals, or else they could have said she'd been studying it while stuck on the Hathaway and managed to figure out some useful properties that comes in handy here.
 
Boyce is the one who mocked Pike when he said he'd go back home and ride his horses if he left Starfleet. Then he mocked Pike when he suggested instead going into business on Regulus or in the Orion colonies. His advice to Pike was that he belonged in Starfleet. "A man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he... turns his back on it and starts to wither away."

And I thought the point of the Cage, with Pike never doing anything but trying to get back to the Enterprise, was that Pike was over his post-Rigel funk.
(Dr. Boyce trying to cheer up Pike post accident)
Boyce: As you remember me saying, a man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away. Right Chris?

Pike: Beep.... BEEP! :angryrazz:
 
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