Or it was the message sent from the assimilated ship in Enterprise.
Remember, the Borg were already attacking the Neutral Zone outposts before Q even transported them to face that Cube.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"
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Remember, the Borg were already attacking the Neutral Zone outposts before Q even transported them to face that Cube.
The Borg were always coming. Q merely did the Feds a favour and gave them a forewarning.
Hey, that's it! Control doesn't go back to become the Borg. It goes back to open a string of evil service stations across the quadrant that are eventually bought out by the Ferengi.
Either that, or it's responsible for WalMart.
Although The Visitor and Infinity contain similar themes, loss of a parent at a young age, sacrifice, lost time, comparing the two is hardly fair.
The Visitor was all about the relationship between Jake and Sisko, two characters we’d seen in most of the DS9 episodes to date. The Visitor was written to emphasize the depth of the Jake/Ben relationship.
Out of story difference; Sisko and Jake were main character.
and Jake and Sisko’s relationship was the “A” story in The Visitor.
The Michael/Gabrielle relationship in Infinity was the “B” story. The relationship wasn’t the focal point of the episode, though it was important.
Don’t mean to offer any of this as an excuse to skimp on the quality of the relationship story, and I don’t think they did, but to expect a similar emotional response to The Visitor, to me, is totally unrealistic.
I thought DSC would have adventures merely set before TOS. Nope it 's uber-prequel to TOS now. So I think it more and more likely the writers will fanwank this control-tech arc and tie it into later Trek, ie Borg.
It sure is a small universe, though. Our characters happen to start and stop the Klingon war, now they're saving earth, no, the Feder - no, the whole quad- NO! All life in the galaxy.
It sure is a small universe, though. Our characters happen to start and stop the Klingon war, now they're saving earth, no, the Feder - no, the whole quad- NO! All life in the galaxy.
And Its taking them a whole season! When Kirk and company saved the galaxy again and again, every time they were able to do it in 45 minutes max!
Looks like the next episode is titled "Through the Valley of the Shadows".
All I can think of is Gangster's Paradise by Coolio.
All I can think of is Gangster's Paradise by Coolio.
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I agree. This story is more akin to stories like What Little Girls Are Made Of.
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And Kirk and company would save the Federation as they know it countless times. Picard saved humanity through the intervention of god like beings, and Voyager saved the entire Delta quadrant from the Borg single handily.
Ah, Star Trek. Always consistent.
In a Starfleet like this, it does seem strange that Kirk's 5 year mission is considered historic in-universe. My guess is that the relatively kid-friendly nature of Kirk's missions allowed better marketability.
Perpetual Infinity
The eleventh episode of season 2. After the revelation at the end of the previous episode, I was wondering how they were going to explain the 'match to Burnham' issue. Via the mitochondrial DNA? I guess that works, but there would be other differences. That aside, this was an improvement upon the previous episode, but only a little. As in the rest of the season there are at least two plot threads. Aboard Discovery, aboard the Section 31 ship (especially with Control!Leland) and on the planet.
Aboard Discovery, younger Burnham goes through older Burnham's mission logs. (Although surely that would take more time than is stated, given that they're audio, rather than text.) This makes her think that she knows her mother. (Given the length of time since she saw her mother, a lot can change. Especially as one grows older.) See below for how that works out. But this plot thread needed more work. That the Sphere Data would protect itself from deletion makes sense, given that the Sphere wanted it to survive.
But that Control had gained control of Leland (using technology similar to that of the Borg) is certainly interesting. Control trying to manipulate Leland into compliance via the use of holograms (including one of himself) was very well done. But some scenes were a little, visceral, for my tastes. (more to expect for the Picard show if the Borg are involved there, unlikely as that sounds.) However, the former Empress being onto Leland not himself is believable, given that she would have had to be an expert at the nuances of body language to survive being Empress.
Doctor Burnham is appropriately desperate to stop Control. (Basically: Delete the Sphere Data! Please delete the Sphere Data! For the love of everything divine, DELETE THE SPHERE DATA!) Of course that is not all that happens with her. There are her interactions with her daughter, and with the former Empress. Both of those were done rather well. Of course the younger Burnham discovers that her mother has moved on, and is now motivated purely by her desire to change history so that Control doesn't destroy all life.
It is interesting that the Empress would sacrifice herself to save Burnham (even if she doesn't believe it herself). Overall, it is an interesting (if a little gruesome) episode. That Control!Leland escapes the Discovery's destruction of the facility was a foregone conclusion... 8/10.
The eleventh episode of season 2. After the revelation at the end of the previous episode, I was wondering how they were going to explain the 'match to Burnham' issue. Via the mitochondrial DNA? I guess that works, but there would be other differences. That aside, this was an improvement upon the previous episode, but only a little. As in the rest of the season there are at least two plot threads. Aboard Discovery, aboard the Section 31 ship (especially with Control!Leland) and on the planet.
Aboard Discovery, younger Burnham goes through older Burnham's mission logs. (Although surely that would take more time than is stated, given that they're audio, rather than text.) This makes her think that she knows her mother. (Given the length of time since she saw her mother, a lot can change. Especially as one grows older.) See below for how that works out. But this plot thread needed more work. That the Sphere Data would protect itself from deletion makes sense, given that the Sphere wanted it to survive.
But that Control had gained control of Leland (using technology similar to that of the Borg) is certainly interesting. Control trying to manipulate Leland into compliance via the use of holograms (including one of himself) was very well done. But some scenes were a little, visceral, for my tastes. (more to expect for the Picard show if the Borg are involved there, unlikely as that sounds.) However, the former Empress being onto Leland not himself is believable, given that she would have had to be an expert at the nuances of body language to survive being Empress.
Doctor Burnham is appropriately desperate to stop Control. (Basically: Delete the Sphere Data! Please delete the Sphere Data! For the love of everything divine, DELETE THE SPHERE DATA!) Of course that is not all that happens with her. There are her interactions with her daughter, and with the former Empress. Both of those were done rather well. Of course the younger Burnham discovers that her mother has moved on, and is now motivated purely by her desire to change history so that Control doesn't destroy all life.
It is interesting that the Empress would sacrifice herself to save Burnham (even if she doesn't believe it herself). Overall, it is an interesting (if a little gruesome) episode. That Control!Leland escapes the Discovery's destruction of the facility was a foregone conclusion... 8/10.
Only his clone.
that's probably a good idea - tried to watch thisone while workinga really bad idea
Zøunds...'bout right, for zhe intellect-u-al type. Brilliant.
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I agree, and that's part of the problem, honestly. Why bring back the main character's dead mother only to have her be the "B" story to a technobabble plot that didn't really make sense? The Visitor realised that the technobabble part of the story is just a framework on which to hang the character work, but Perpetual Infinity does it the other way around, and that cheapens the whole thing beyond the point of being worth doing, to me. You could have covered Leland bad, wants to steal the data and the suit, we might be able to save Burnmom and Georgiou is suspicious in about ten minutes tops. It probably would have actually made more sense without overdoing it so much. Then the rest of the runtime is about how Burnham breaks through her mother's defences to rekindle their relationship (or perhaps more daringly, fails to) after all this time and trauma on both sides, with all the usual Star Trek metaphors gushing around about absent parents, relationships damaged by trauma, substance abuse, and time apart, and an adopted child's questions about their past. It could have been beautiful. Instead it was pew pew and tech the tech, and then they tried to rush the emotional story in two conversations.
It appears that Control is spreading in our time as well now. Thanks Mrs. Burnham, awsome job you're doing saving the universe with your Santa Claus suit.
https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-dsc/s2/perpetual-infinity.php
https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-dsc/s2/perpetual-infinity.php
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Sure, that would have been nice, if that was what they were going for, which obviously they weren't. Instead, we end up experiencing this ep just like Michael does. IMO, that was what they were going for, that sense of opportunity to resolve everything that Michael wanted too, but having that ripped away from hers/our grasp. And for me, it was effective, looking at it that way. Although of course, YMMV.
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I said that after 'the Red Angel', now I'm pretty sure it will not make sense at any point. The actions the RA and Control take simply are completely illogical. The Control could have done absolutely nothing, and would have gained access to the sphere data, when Discovery delivered it for the Starfleet to research. And the RA just makes no sense, she is hopping about bizarrely, but somehow utterly fails to actually do anything that would help her main goal, i.e. stopping the Control.
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