How will season 2 end?

[DaveyNY]

They didn’t notice anything strange in Patars communication, only when Burnham found the long dead Patar did they dug further.

So we've had at least three instances of holographic tech being a major problem.

1) The Enterprise systems crash
2) Spock being implicated of murder
3) Actual Holographic Communications being used for misleading information.

I wonder at this point what it was about the Enterprises systems that caused it to reject the holographic interface?

 

[Roald]

So we've had at least three instances of holographic tech being a major problem.

No that communication was over the view screen.. Saru noticed an unchanged level of stress

 

[BillJ]

This is going to unravel pretty quickly if they hit the reset button in a half-hearted fashion. Yeah, Pike might not be able to get something that goes more than "beep-beep" in the Federation. But the technology does exist to give him a better life than that. Which means Spock is committing mutiny and throwing Captain Kirk under the bus over Talos IV, when he could simply take Pike outside the Federation and get him an Airiam suit. One where he could live his life without being a prisoner/entertainment for the Talosians.

 

[DaveyNY]

No that communication was over the view screen.. Saru noticed an unchanged level of stress

But it was still a holographic projection that was being used as a misdirection of the facts.

This is going to unravel pretty quickly if they hit the reset button in a half-hearted fashion. Yeah, Pike might not be able to get something that goes more than "beep-beep" in the Federation. But the technology does exist to give him a better life than that. Which means Spock is committing mutiny and throwing Captain Kirk under the bus over Talos IV, when he could simply take Pike outside the Federation and get him an Airiam suit. One where he could live his life without being a prisoner/entertainment for the Talosians.

That's why I hope it end up being Leland in the chair instead of Pike.

 

[BillJ]

But it was still a holographic projection that was being used as a misdirection of the facts.

Tech can always be manipulated. Why not just go back to chisels and stone tablets? Just to be safe.

 

[BillJ]

That's why I hope it's Leland in the chair instead of Pike.

If it is Leland in the chair, then the show is clearly a reboot.

 

[Alan Roi]

This is going to unravel pretty quickly if they hit the reset button in a half-hearted fashion. Yeah, Pike might not be able to get something that goes more than "beep-beep" in the Federation. But the technology does exist to give him a better life than that. Which means Spock is committing mutiny and throwing Captain Kirk under the bus over Talos IV, when he could simply take Pike outside the Federation and get him an Airiam suit. One where he could live his life without being a prisoner/entertainment for the Talosians.

Obviously he and Pike were motivated to do what they did. Just because someone can do something, doesn't mean they are going to make a different choice.

 

[BillJ]

Obviously he and Pike were motivated to do what they did.

Pike wasn't. He constantly beeped 'no' through Spock's plans to steal the Enterprise.

 

[Tuskin38]

Unless the damage is so bad that even the Airiam level of augmentation doesn't work for him.

 

[DaveyNY]

Tech can always be manipulated. Why not just go back to chisels and stone tablets? Just to be safe.

That's more than a tad bit of an over reaction to something that has already proved to be a problem on many levels.
Just because Holographic Communication becomes untrustworthy at this point in time doesn't negate all the other Trek Tech we've seen.

If it is Leland in the chair, then the show is clearly a reboot.

I disagree, Pike could be transported to a future time while a horribly disfigured and dying Leland could be left in his place.
Everything can still play out as seen just with the caveat of us knowing that Spock and Talosians are in on the secret.
I've posted my ideas of the details elsewhere so there's no need to go into it here.

 

[BillJ]

Unless the damage is so bad that even the Airiam level of augmentation doesn't work for him.

The Discovery Klingons can break a person down and turn them into someone else entirely. The tech should exist to make Pike at least as capable as Airiam.

 

[BillJ]

Just because Holographic Communication becomes untrustworthy at this point in time doesn't negate all the other Trek Tech we've seen.

How is it any more unreliable than audio and visual communications? Which would likely be even easier to fake. It is absurd that you tear everything out of your ships because a super-intelligence figured out a way to take advantage of it.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Discovery Klingons can break a person down and turn them into someone else entirely. The tech should exist to make Pike at least as capable as Airiam.

Not necessarily.

 

[DaveyNY]

How is it any more unreliable than audio and visual communications? Which would likely be even easier to fake. It is absurd that you tear everything out of your ships because a super-intelligence figured out a way to take advantage of it.

You're still over projecting, they haven't torn everything out of the ship, just the Holo-communications equipment.
It's obvious that you can't or won't see any reasonable explanation as being valid, so I guess this is just one of those agree to disagree moments.

 

[BillJ]

You're still over projecting, they haven't torn everything out of the ship, just the Holo-communications equipment.

It just comes across as treating the audience as dullards. Shouldn't they be ripping out their subspace radios as well? Since it likely is the carrier of the holographic images.

Open dedicated subspace channel 222AA7.

 

[Alan Roi]

Pike wasn't. He constantly beeped 'no' through Spock's plans to steal the Enterprise.

And it was also established by the end of the episode that trial was a sham and manipulated by the Talosians and that was even clear back in 1966.

 

[BillJ]

And it was also established by the end of the episode that trial was a sham and manipulated by the Talosians.

Which has nothing to do with Pike constantly beeping "no" about Spock's plan.

KIRK: (watching Pike on monitor) He keeps blinking no. No to what?

 

[Kemaiku]

It just comes across as treating the audience as dullards. Shouldn't they be ripping out their subspace radios as well? Since it likely is the carrier of the holographic images.

It implies Starfleet added an additional set of datalines physically throughout the ship that was linked to the Subspace array but not firewalled to slow down the transmission. Pike's line about physically ripping it out supports that.

So...a high density dataline that bypasses the communication protection protocols Hoshi developed in the Romulan War to deliberately stop this kind of hijacking that links to all critical areas of every Starfleet vessel.

Whew...that actually got green lit by someone?

 

[DaveyNY]

Which has nothing to do with Pike constantly beeping "no" about Spock's plan.

"NO, I'M NOT PIKE!"

 

[Doc Mugatu]

After last night's episode I was left feeling this season will end with Burnham/Discovery crew changing their timeline and creating the one we know as the prime timeline. I'm confident someone else here offered this ending sometime ago, but I cannot recall who it was.