Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"

[Rhodan]

By the way, what will they do with the signals? There´s still four of them and this season has one more episode than it was supposed to have.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Discover twitter account is role playing as a robot

 

[Sakonna]

Remember the build up of the Shadow war in B5... so amazing... it ended with ‘Get the hell out of out galaxy!’ Or LOST... Guess it IS pretty hard to make a satifying ending..! I do agree with you on the S1 finale: it was a let-down... But ‘war without, war within’ wasn’t THAT bad was it...?

For me it was, I really hated those last two. I think I actually prefer "Will You Take My Hand?" over it's predecessor -- I enjoyed quite a bit about their visit to Qu'nos, I don't hate that sequence, though I do hate the context it's played in.

There have only been two Disco episodes that failed totally for me -- "The War Without, The War Within" and "The Red Angel." The rest of the series has veered WILDLY in quality, possibly more than any other TV series I have ever seen, but every episode -- except those two -- offered me SOMETHING I was really pleased to have seen.

Vulcan Hello undoubtedly scored the lowest because:

1. It was freely shown on TV, meaning it had the widest U.S. audience of more causal fans.

2. A lot of people tuned out after that episode.

Good point, that's another thing lifting these scores -- we have to pay now. People who authentically hate it would stop paying and move on.

 

[DaveyNY]

One thing I'll say I liked about this episode - one of the only things - is Micheal Burnham was once again basically irrelevant to the plot. She was subject, but not object this particular week, which reinforces the message the show had been giving for the last few episodes.

I mean think about it. Georgiou was the hero this episode, given she was the one who figured out that Leland was possessed by Control and stopped the data upload. Ash and Pike played secondary roles, fighting with Leland and blowing the station up respectively. Burnham didn't do shit except blow up the containment fields which were allowing her mother to stay in this time period. And even there, she hesitated due to her personal feelings - much as was the case when she couldn't space Airiam, meaning she came close to fucking everything up.

Also, it was established the reason Spock was special was his dyslexia allowed him to communicate with Gabrielle - not that he was Michael's adopted brother. This is stupid, but it still shows that their connection wasn't the important thing here.

In addition, the episode basically shut the door on the idea that Michael might in the future ever don the Red Angel suit herself. Essentially all of the angel's onscreen appearances were name dropped, and many others were recorded in Gabrielle's logs. The suit is also now completely non-functional. Michael's mom is important here, but she herself is not.

Does all that make her a Mary-Jane instead?

 

[SolarisOne]

Good point, that's another thing lifting these scores -- we have to pay now. People who authentically hate it would stop paying and move on.

Nah. Hate-watchers can download it via torrent.

 

[Nerys Myk]

A solid 8.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I know, that’s why I said proof *in a way*

Still... I don’t see episodes like ‘up the long ladder’ or ‘the dauphin’ getting mostly 8-10 votes... It does say something that the overall quality is very high, just not as high from week to week...

It is worth noting that our sensibilities are different now. How Trek fans would rate those episodes today is probably very different to how Trek fans rated those episodes back then when they first aired.

 

[Amaris]

It is worth noting that our sensibilities are different now. How Trek fans would rate those episodes today is probably very different to how Trek fans rated those episodes back then when they first aired.

I attribute that to excitement. A new Star Trek series after 12 years? Yeah, I'd be all eager, too, and I was for the most part of season 1. Even episodes I disliked got a 6 or a 7, and I knew I was rating too high at that point. So I started evaluating my system.

Once season 2 settled in, though, I wanted things more balanced, hence why my ratings start with "genuine" because I've taken the extra effort to remove the excitement wrapper and look at the product for what I found enjoyable. That's also why when everyone else was saying "amazing! 10!" on episodes I loved, I still rated them "7" or "8" because I loved them, but they just weren't 9 or 10 worthy to me.

Again, all subjective, but I try to be consistent.

 

[Jadeb]

Also, it was established the reason Spock was special was his dyslexia allowed him to communicate with Gabrielle - not that he was Michael's adopted brother. This is stupid, but it still shows that their connection wasn't the important thing here.

There was a whole lot of stuff thrown at the screen this week that didn't really sink in for me. Why did she have to drive him crazy again? She can go back in time and move a whole church during a war but she can't leave an understandable note for Spock or Burnham?

 

[eschaton]

There was a whole lot of stuff thrown at the screen this week that didn't really sink in for me. Why did she have to drive him crazy again? She can go back in time and move a whole church during a war but she can't leave an understandable note for Spock or Burnham?

Hell, why couldn't she just take off her fucking helmet for 30 seconds and say something?

 

[DaveyNY]

There was a whole lot of stuff thrown at the screen this week that didn't really sink in for me. Why did she have to drive him crazy again? She can go back in time and move a whole church during a war but she can't leave an understandable note for Spock or Burnham?

Spock was too young and too caught up in his own problems to have understood any message sent during that time period.
Gabrielle apparently tried on many an occasion to let Michael know, but TIME stopped her.
So eventually she decided specifically that it would be better not to.


This is what I mean about having too critical a mindset when watching a TV show.
If one takes just a moment or two, almost everything can be explained in some fashion.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Also, it was established the reason Spock was special was his dyslexia allowed him to communicate with Gabrielle - not that he was Michael's adopted brother. This is stupid, but it still shows that their connection wasn't the important thing here.

Yeah, the whole dyslexia makes Spock able to communicate with Gabrielle, was pretty dumb IMO.

 

[eschaton]

Yeah, the whole dyslexia makes Spock able to communicate with Gabrielle, was pretty dumb IMO.

The entire first 2/3rds of the episode was either exposition intended to solve the mysteries which made the beginning of the season seem compelling, or Voyager-level technobabble.

 

[Rhodan]

This isn´t very important, but did you notice, how writers are still surrounding Michael with "Gabriels"?

 

[Jadeb]

Yeah, the whole dyslexia makes Spock able to communicate with Gabrielle, was pretty dumb IMO.

I did like that the dyslexia had a pay off, at least. They've done much better this season at planting seeds and letting them grow.

 

[plynch]

I am really confused. I hate convoluted plots. This feels like the last SW movie (which I enjoyed ok) but they cut back to a plot and I'm like

"Ok, what now? What are they trying to do again?"

I think I officially don't get this S2 plot. I had forgotten control was from the future. I'm trying and it's not sticking.

I want joyful star trek episodes. Someone please fan edit out the dumb "humor" from Orville, and let me know when they're ready.

 

[Uhura's Song]

How did Control get Lealand into the chair after eye poking him without anyone noticing?

Did I miss something?

Cannot go higher than 6.

And with the fate of the galaxy at stake, maybe more guards?

And why don't phasers work vs Airiam or Lealand?

 

[saladdays]

I think I officially don't get this S2 plot. I had forgotten control was from the future. I'm trying and it's not sticking.

But Control itself is Section 31's threat assessment AI program, and is not from the future, right? It's just trying to get the sphere's data from the future, right?

 

[cultcross]

Gabrielle apparently tried on many an occasion to let Michael know, but TIME stopped her

Because that makes sense.

This is what I mean about having too critical a mindset when watching a TV show.

But I think the opposite is also possible - if you're too forgiving, the plot has no boundaries in which to work and it is boundaries which create dramatic tension. It invites ass-pull Deus ex machina twists, inconsistencies which undermine tension (does Discovery's bloody transporter work or not?!), logic holes like last week, and tech the tech episodes like this one.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I am really confused. I hate convoluted plots. This feels like the last SW movie (which I enjoyed ok) but they cut back to a plot and I'm like

"Ok, what now? What are they trying to do again?"

I think I officially don't get this S2 plot. I had forgotten control was from the future. I'm trying and it's not sticking.

I want joyful star trek episodes. Someone please fan edit out the dumb "humor" from Orville, and let me know when they're ready.

I'm having a hard time following Control as well. Wasn't Future-Control (with the same mission as present Control) taken care of with Airiam and the Present-Control is the one that killed off Patar and her team of Admirals?

Also, I noticed Georgiou referred to the Prime universe as the 'Prime Universe' which seems really funny from an in-unverse perspective.