I wouldn't mind a Section 31 series but I like this theory
How will season 2 end?
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I wouldn't mind a Section 31 series but I like this theory
Everything will be reset to TOS level technology.
It was said in "The red angel", that humanity had technological advancements they should not have had due to "red angel". That explains why DSC is so technologically advanced compared to TOS and why they have the tech to make this Spore drive work. And I dont mean aesthetically, just technologically.
At least, thats what I'd like to believe.
It was said in "The red angel", that humanity had technological advancements they should not have had due to "red angel". That explains why DSC is so technologically advanced compared to TOS and why they have the tech to make this Spore drive work. And I dont mean aesthetically, just technologically.
At least, thats what I'd like to believe.
The main possibly that I can think of that checks all the boxes (in my mind) based on what has been said is some sort of temporal shenanigans than both cause the current Discovery timeframe to now use the tech of an have the appearance of TOS and bump Discovery to the future.
Given the problems of AI, and the Enterprise breakdown due to overly complex systems, it seems like they might revert to more primitive but more rugged equipment and avoid AIs. Cue the TOS appearance.
However, given modern audiences who won't want the TOS look, Discovery probably gets shifted to the far future, or at the very least to a distant point in the galaxy or universe.
It's also possible that the hyperbole from TPTB about the ending is just that . . . hyperbole. After all, promoting the show is part of their job!
Given the problems of AI, and the Enterprise breakdown due to overly complex systems, it seems like they might revert to more primitive but more rugged equipment and avoid AIs. Cue the TOS appearance.
However, given modern audiences who won't want the TOS look, Discovery probably gets shifted to the far future, or at the very least to a distant point in the galaxy or universe.
It's also possible that the hyperbole from TPTB about the ending is just that . . . hyperbole. After all, promoting the show is part of their job!
Then none of the show thus far has taken place in the "Prime" universe. This type of reset has the chance of blowing up in their faces and turning people off to the show.
They should have been as vague as possible when they launched this show, simply saying it is "Star Trek in the 23rd century". And left all the non-sense about timelines to people to debate.
Imagine Vina's disappointment when "Pike" is "returned" to her in Menagerie!
"Who the fuck are you?!"
I really don't think we're going to get a reset to TOS appearance. No way they're going to lock themselves into that, even if Discovery gets flung into the future. CBS may want to do other shows set in the TOS time period, and they've already built an expensive Enterprise bridge that I feel certain is not a replica of the original. The updated visuals will remain updated.
At best they may stop using holograms, but even that seems like more trouble than it's worth.
At best they may stop using holograms, but even that seems like more trouble than it's worth.
Indeed.
I think they could have updated the aesthetics to match modern expectations without adding so much advanced tech and create a great political drama in the 23rd Century Star Trek or something after TUC, without relying so much on new tech. for the sake of new tech.
With the Talosians in control of everything, she'd probably never know the difference.
They already fooled her into thinking that Pike was there at the end of "The Cage" when he really wasn't.
She'd just see Pike and Leland would see whoever he is enamored by.
(imagine all the stuff that Leland has done in his life, being available for the Talosians to visit, They'd be ecstatic at the opportunity)
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As I said months ago, I think the primary possible reason for a time jump (in addition to some sort of time-travel related "fixes") is if they actually want to do a Pike show. After all, two different 23rd century Trek shows will feel a bit too samey - particularly because both shows would be ship based in the Alpha Quadrant. And given we've heard a lot about this expensive new Enterprise bridge, and they're being coy about a potential spinoff, I think the announcement of a Pike show when the season is over is more likely than not.
Remember that Kurtzman thinks that a major flaw in Berman Trek was how similar the different series felt. I think he's overreacting here a bit - DS9 and VOY were not virtually indistinguishable. But considering he has said that, I think he'd want to do something to make Discovery a jarringly different show if we're getting the Enterprise full time.
Here's an idea... Stamets alone ends up taking a one-way trip to the future and becomes a regular on the Picard series. He's all "I was driving starships while your great-grandfather was still in diapers!" but everyone thinks he's high (which he is).
Remember there has also been some cryptic comment that "we will find out why there are no Kelpiens in Starfleet this season."
This might be because of something that happens the episode after tonight's (it's another Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt episode - which suggests a return to Kaminar). But it might also be because a timeline reset basically undoes what Discovery did to help the Kelpiens earlier in the season.
This might be because of something that happens the episode after tonight's (it's another Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt episode - which suggests a return to Kaminar). But it might also be because a timeline reset basically undoes what Discovery did to help the Kelpiens earlier in the season.
Man, that will really pizz off Saru if that happens.
You don't need a timeline reset to explain why there are no Kelpiens in Starfleet beyond Saru. The Kelpiens, in their post-fear state, probably have no interest in Starfleet or the Federation.
Let's not get carried away with the idea that every small change or explanation means TIMELINE RESET!!!
Let's not get carried away with the idea that every small change or explanation means TIMELINE RESET!!!
That might or might not be true. There's two (at least) different issues at play. When Control started making the changes. And, whether those changes were always a part of the Prime timeline or not.
If Control had been manipulating time prior to the series starting, then the entire series *might* been an alternate universe. However, if those changes hadn't started until the current season, then only the events of the current season *might* be an alternate universe. The previous season would've been unaffected by changes if they only occurred this season.
The effect of preventing those changes depends on the extent of those changes, and I'm not really sure about that.
However, in either of the above cases, we might find that the Prime Universe always had those temporal changes and we (the viewers) are just now seeing them for the first time but that they were always a part of the Prime timeline. Or, maybe they weren't and that would put Discovery in an alternate universe and they might be in the process of restoring the Prime timeline.
There's different ways they could go with this--both the extent of timeline changes and whether they were always a part of the Prime timeline or not.
That's probably just a reference to other Star Trek stories that has shown technology being advanced because of Time Travellers, I.E. VOY: Future's End or 'The Voyage Home'.
I mean we already know that Discovery is still around in the 33rd century waiting for its crew to show up.
One thing I've noticed, we have never seen anyone travel to a point beyond their present unless accompanied by someone from the future (Archer and Daniels to the destroyed 31st century). I wonder if the Discovery crew being shunted to the future is going to cause some major issues in the fabric of spacetime?
One thing I've noticed, we have never seen anyone travel to a point beyond their present unless accompanied by someone from the future (Archer and Daniels to the destroyed 31st century). I wonder if the Discovery crew being shunted to the future is going to cause some major issues in the fabric of spacetime?
No, thanks to general relativity, time travel to the future isn't difficult at all in terms of physics. You just travel near the speed of light to slow your own personal time. Do that for long enough and, viola, you're in the future! It's going to the past that is difficult using real physics.
While that is possible via physics that isn't how time travel works in the series. Any jaunt to the future would be by some technobabble means. The only time we've seen anyone go into their future is with the help of someone from the future (Archer with Daniels and Seven with Braxton).
My point is that maybe the Discovery crew is sent to their future (33rd century?) and it causes big issues for the timeline (the creation of the V'draysh?).
Time dilation does exist in the Trekverse, given the concept was shown on a classroom board in DS9 when Keiko was teaching children on the station.
I'm pretty sure though that in practice, Starfleet vessels cannot approach the speed of light, only exceed it. IIRC the maximum speed ever listed for impulse was 0.5 c, which would have minimal time dilation. Warp drives travel faster than light, but through subspace, where time dilation isn't really a concern.
It doesn't have to be. They can use the more mundane approach. In general, traveling to your own future is less problematic than travelling backwards in time.
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