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By showing Spock how Burnham was going to be killed. Clearly the intention was for Spock to find a way to save Burnham.
That's pretty unambiguous! Otherwise, it's just an FYI: here's a vision of your beloved sister being viciously killed by a wild creature. No need to do anything!
The RA knew what Spock would do.
There's really only two possibilities:
1. If we're going by the "all Red Angel time travel is a closed loop" logic, then it's most likely Michael. Micheal saw the memory of Spock in the last episode, and later she will travel into the past and share the memory back with Spock, going full circle. I suppose it's also possible that someone like FutureAmanda would be able to go back as well, but while she might know where to find Micheal, they wouldn't have a vivid memory of her being eaten.
2. However, if the Red Angel is actually changing the timeline, that does open up a lot more possibilities. Presumably Burnham's death would have been recorded somewhere, and the Red Angel could do recon until she found the exact place and time. Though she'd be a pretty damn obscure historical figure (even if Spock wasn't) so I'm not sure exactly why they'd pull on that thread in particular.
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It’s Michael. NOT Micheal.
Mikhale
Михаил???
As much as I love references and tie-ins to other STAR TREK series, characters, events, etc., I find myself hoping the Red Angel is something never seen or heard of in a previous show. One of the appeals of early TNG was its attempt to be its own series without dipping into its parent show, and it rarely referenced or brought back elements from that era, with "The Naked Now" being an obvious exception, but we already know some of the reasons why this happened.
DS9 functioned much better when being its own show, and I believe the same is true of VOYAGER, though some of the more intangible elements, like the feel of episodes, does seem to be TNG watered down. But that is probably a more subjective view than concrete evidence, like my above mentioned episode.
ENTERPRISE's entire premise required it to be a link to previous shows, and for better or worse, it did do that. I think it succeeded more than it failed, though the success came a little too late in the game.
The problem with prequel shows is that there are certain obligations that are built in from the start, and with a franchise like STAR TREK whose fans are EXTREMELY detailed with their shows, no matter what they do they will always piss off a group of fans.
I think probably the best case scenario for a prequel show would be to have something like another Constitution class ship on its own 5 year mission, but heading in another direction than the Enterprise did, for lack of a better term. There were a dozen of them built, and space is vast enough for a lot adventures with a lot ships. Like maybe exploring the Beta Quadrant.
I think I made this post longer than I intended, so I hope I am making sense.
DS9 functioned much better when being its own show, and I believe the same is true of VOYAGER, though some of the more intangible elements, like the feel of episodes, does seem to be TNG watered down. But that is probably a more subjective view than concrete evidence, like my above mentioned episode.
ENTERPRISE's entire premise required it to be a link to previous shows, and for better or worse, it did do that. I think it succeeded more than it failed, though the success came a little too late in the game.
The problem with prequel shows is that there are certain obligations that are built in from the start, and with a franchise like STAR TREK whose fans are EXTREMELY detailed with their shows, no matter what they do they will always piss off a group of fans.
I think probably the best case scenario for a prequel show would be to have something like another Constitution class ship on its own 5 year mission, but heading in another direction than the Enterprise did, for lack of a better term. There were a dozen of them built, and space is vast enough for a lot adventures with a lot ships. Like maybe exploring the Beta Quadrant.
I think I made this post longer than I intended, so I hope I am making sense.
Alright: mad speculation time!
Potential candidates for RA:
1) Guinan
2) MU Cornwall
3) MU Michael Burnham
Of these three unlikely conjectures, I’d personally pick 3) MU Michael - but YMMV.
Potential candidates for RA:
1) Guinan
2) MU Cornwall
3) MU Michael Burnham
Of these three unlikely conjectures, I’d personally pick 3) MU Michael - but YMMV.
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My reasoned choice is Zora AI in combo with either:
1) The trans-dimensional shroom collective
2) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Lady
3) Mikey Burn Hams
Spoiler choices:
1) Not so Squinty Lorca
2) The Ball Builder Bastards from the 22nd century
3) Chief Reno of the U.S.S. Hiawatha
1) The trans-dimensional shroom collective
2) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Lady
3) Mikey Burn Hams
Spoiler choices:
1) Not so Squinty Lorca
2) The Ball Builder Bastards from the 22nd century
3) Chief Reno of the U.S.S. Hiawatha
The Sphere Builders? Interesting guess.
At this point, it could be Future Guy from the Temporal Cold War. After all, the voice was distorted greatly, so it's not a stretch to think the image is, too.
At this point, it could be Future Guy from the Temporal Cold War. After all, the voice was distorted greatly, so it's not a stretch to think the image is, too.
Whatever female gets introduced in the next episode, that will be everyone's guess of that week for who the Red Angel is. Same for any female the following week.
Perhaps just to rescue one person: Jacob. Jacob did tell Pike that he knew that the two of them would see each other again.
I think he's the reason that the RA saved his ancestors.
If we go with the predestination paradox idea, there doesn't need to be a reason apart from the fact that it has already happened and been witnessed by those acting to intervene. So anyone who achieves the time traveling power later in the story and knows it has happened in the past, if they want to preserve the timeline, will have to make sure those events happen again. It's both the chicken and the egg.
The chicken and the egg...
Everyone forgets about the skillet.
Everyone forgets about the skillet.
... and the fire.
From The Voyage Home:
AMANDA: Spock, does the good of the many outweigh the good of the one?
SPOCK: I would accept that as an axiom.
AMANDA: Then you stand here alive because of a mistake ...made by your flawed, feeling, human friends. They have sacrificed their futures because they believed that the good of the one....you....was more important to them.
SPOCK: Humans make illogical decisions.
AMANDA: They do, indeed.
What if Spock was not meant to be brought back from the dead, in the original timeline? What if the focus on Michael is a....red herring?
"Futures"....hmmm. As in their careers....or literally the future itself?
At the risk of beating the Mutara thing to death....
I am strongly led to the idea that the Red Angel is Amanda.
It would be a bit of a counterpoint....and an irony....Spock said that Edith Keeler had to die so that millions would live. What about him?
AMANDA: Spock, does the good of the many outweigh the good of the one?
SPOCK: I would accept that as an axiom.
AMANDA: Then you stand here alive because of a mistake ...made by your flawed, feeling, human friends. They have sacrificed their futures because they believed that the good of the one....you....was more important to them.
SPOCK: Humans make illogical decisions.
AMANDA: They do, indeed.
What if Spock was not meant to be brought back from the dead, in the original timeline? What if the focus on Michael is a....red herring?
"Futures"....hmmm. As in their careers....or literally the future itself?
At the risk of beating the Mutara thing to death....
I am strongly led to the idea that the Red Angel is Amanda.
It would be a bit of a counterpoint....and an irony....Spock said that Edith Keeler had to die so that millions would live. What about him?
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