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It would have been interesting if they had made it the redemption of Valeris....
It's not Vina is it?
Maybe not I don't know I think someone mentioned her earlier on.
Maybe not I don't know I think someone mentioned her earlier on.
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I still find the New Eden point to be the most confounding: why rescue those humans and transport them to a planet on the other side of the galaxy?
Is it for the purpose of ensuring someone from the New Eden colony reproduces and their descendant is of importance to the RA in the future?
Does the New Eden Colony become something larger than what it appears, at this point in time (ie: is it the seed of a future society / planet / ethos that we have yet to be shown?
Hmmmm...
Is it for the purpose of ensuring someone from the New Eden colony reproduces and their descendant is of importance to the RA in the future?
Does the New Eden Colony become something larger than what it appears, at this point in time (ie: is it the seed of a future society / planet / ethos that we have yet to be shown?
Hmmmm...
So far, we have only met three of the famed Red Things. And the first was accessible right next to the hero ship and countless others, but the second absolutely required the use of the spore drive unique to the hero ship.
Quite possibly a key element here is the drafting of the services of Stamets and his drive. The third Red Thing was again a hero-specific move, as no other ship (that is, no ship without Saru) would have felt compelled to act in any fashion there... The Terralysium event could have been tailored to lure in Pike, too.
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Quite possibly a key element here is the drafting of the services of Stamets and his drive. The third Red Thing was again a hero-specific move, as no other ship (that is, no ship without Saru) would have felt compelled to act in any fashion there... The Terralysium event could have been tailored to lure in Pike, too.
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In physics there need not be a direction or flow of "time".; instead, all of space and time is just there in some multi-dimensional structure. What’s more, all the fundamental laws of physics work essentially the same both forward and backward. One way towards conceptualizing this is to considering space-time regions holistically: considering the full totality at once, rather than as sequential frames of a movie. In the general theory of relativity, there’s no conceptual distinction between the past and the future, or discrete distinction of a “now.” Time and our perception of linear time are biologically inherent human cultural constructs, that is it.
My guess is the Red Angel is something much more than just a person. It seems that the Red Angel entity that can exist in eternal (or infinite) time, linear time and concurrent time systems (Multi time-lines).
In this context consider what Spock's affliction was, "The combination of past memories and future “memories” Spock got from the mind-meld with the Angel caused his mind to lose its place in time, resulting in the past and future blending together."
This level of advancement most likely represents a very highly evolved AI or AI/Bio symbiote type entity. The Control AI and “Zora” AI ship theory that has been posted is a strong potential for both the aggressor and Red Angel entities. If this is accurate I would go further and speculate that Control is pure AI and “Zora” is a AI/Bio symbiote. The play will be off the dualities of pure cold Logic/Science (Control) against Empathy/Spirituality (“Zora” AI/Bio). Last thing is if any of this tracks the Bio part of “Zora” will be the Mycelium Fungi Gaia network (Spore-world)
I don't think Vina is the red angel--she got a happy ending with Pike. The real Pike, essentially living in a holodeck.
It appears like the RA is setting up situations that illustrate how it's a force for good. Trying to get the Federation on its side. More specifically, it appears to need Spock's help and Discovery's help. New Eden was reachable only by Discovery.
Additionally, New Eden can be a big change to the timeline that really doesn't affect the history of the Alpha/Beta quadrant. It's just so far away. The RA can save all of those people with minimal timeline consequences. No one notices those people are missing and no one notices that they're still alive.
At least that's my working theory for now!
Well, Terralysium is the only place where the Angel did unambiguous good. With the original transplanting, that is. Elsewhere, she invited our heroes to witness a disaster of a forced nature, often made disastrous by the very arrival of the heroes; without the meddling, nothing particularly untoward would have happened.
Perhaps the Angel is one of the folks of this new Eden (say, the girl who didn't die because Pike dove onto the phaser), traveling on those angel wings back in time to ensure that the salvation time loop happens, and the rest of her antics are just setup that makes possible for her to acquire the wings.
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Perhaps the Angel is one of the folks of this new Eden (say, the girl who didn't die because Pike dove onto the phaser), traveling on those angel wings back in time to ensure that the salvation time loop happens, and the rest of her antics are just setup that makes possible for her to acquire the wings.
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Could it be that Craft is from that planet and this is how it all gets tied together?
Maybe the V'dyrash he's talking about is Control 1000 years on?
If the Red Angel is Zora, does this mean that "Calypso" takes place in the dystopian alternate future that DSC is trying to prevent?
In the "Calypso" future, folks were fighting each other. In the "If Memory Serves" future, the galaxy is somehow "barren" and weird alien ships are blowing up empty planets. Might be two points on the same timeline, but if so, "Calypso" comes first. And I don't see folks fighting each other as a prerequisite or sufficient explanation for the galaxy going "barren"; it could be an unrelated development just as well.
Assuming the "barren" bit in the dialogue really was thought out and deliberate, and not just another ambiguous and confusing bit like the "predator" and "prey" descriptions of the Kaminar situation.
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Assuming the "barren" bit in the dialogue really was thought out and deliberate, and not just another ambiguous and confusing bit like the "predator" and "prey" descriptions of the Kaminar situation.
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We don't really know if Craft is talking about fighting other 'People'.
We only know that it's something called the V'draysh.
I don't see how the Red Angel interfering - twice - into the development of New Eden really means there needs to be some higher purpose here. There's a very good reason to do so - because official Starfleet records show that the Red Angel did. Therefore, whoever the Red Angel is - whether FutureBurnham from like a month from now when she finds the suit, or someone 500 years hence - should intervene exactly as history outlined in order to avoid a temporal paradox.
Anyway, it's long been established (other than some of the weirdness of the temporal cold war) that if you alter the timeline, you basically erase everything that happened up until that point. The only people who aren't covered are the actual travelers themselves, who are often somehow "shielded" from ceasing to exist due to a temporal paradox. Therefore, if the Red Angel was really altering history, and not just doing what she was supposed to do in the existing timeline, then whatever world she came from is already gone. That should also mean due to the butterfly effect that the machines who cleanse the galaxy of intelligent life are also already gone.
Anyway, it's long been established (other than some of the weirdness of the temporal cold war) that if you alter the timeline, you basically erase everything that happened up until that point. The only people who aren't covered are the actual travelers themselves, who are often somehow "shielded" from ceasing to exist due to a temporal paradox. Therefore, if the Red Angel was really altering history, and not just doing what she was supposed to do in the existing timeline, then whatever world she came from is already gone. That should also mean due to the butterfly effect that the machines who cleanse the galaxy of intelligent life are also already gone.
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Perhaps the Angel wants her old reality gone, but has to take specific steps to steer the new reality towards the desired path? This is what all time travelers in Trek do: it doesn't suffice for them to just go to the past and then back to a better future, they have to meddle in a specific way to be able to choose that future.
But there's no butterfly effect there. Seemingly major changes such as causing a UFO scare over Los Angeles (meaning quite a few folks will scramble from their beds at an inopportune moment, and when they return, wholly different people ought to be conceived) never have proportional consequences. Instead, something in the Trek universe stamps on 'em butterflies till nothing flutters any longer. Time in Trek is robust and willing to take abuse for a good cause.
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But there's no butterfly effect there. Seemingly major changes such as causing a UFO scare over Los Angeles (meaning quite a few folks will scramble from their beds at an inopportune moment, and when they return, wholly different people ought to be conceived) never have proportional consequences. Instead, something in the Trek universe stamps on 'em butterflies till nothing flutters any longer. Time in Trek is robust and willing to take abuse for a good cause.
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Saving Burnham is another case. From the perspective of the series, that is unambiguously good.
When did she do that? Pike saved Burnham in "Brother". Nothing suggests Pike would have been guided to Burnham by the Angel. Spock saved Burnham in "If Memory Serves". While he was being guided by the Angel, the choice to use the guidance to save Burnham was his, leaving plenty of ambiguity.
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