As big of a fan of the show as I am, that really isn't necessary. If you do, watch "Pilot" after Iron Man 3, "The Well" after Thor the Dark World and then "End of the Beginning" before The Winter Soldier, and "Turn, Turn, Turn" afterwards.
Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion
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I loved, loved the film! It was a beautiful combination of sweet 90's nostalgia and righteous female empowerment.
I've known very little about Carol's history other than two of the Deconnick books I was able to read at the library (and not even a full-story arc), but I thought the film did a very good job in introducing her story in a non-linear fashion, weaving in origins with her current situation and learning the truth about her powers and history as we did. Although I wish we had seen more of them, I thought Maria and Monica were great additions to Carol's story and I look forward to seeing them in future films.
I liked the double twist of the storyline. For months there was silly speculation about who Jude Law was playing, but it was a nice little diversion from the fact that Annette Bening was playing not just the Supreme Intelligence but also Mar-Vell. I don't think I saw a single person in this forum guess that she had that duel role, even if most of us figured out Law was playing Yon-Rogg and not Mar-Vell. I also liked how the Skrulls turned out to be relative good guys (or at least Talos and his group) and that the Kree continue to be royal assholes as we've seen throughout the MCU.
All of the 90's songs were great, but I especially loved the use of "Just a Girl" during her kickass sequence aboard Mar-Vell's science ship. I noticed in the credits that "Man in the Moon" was included but I don't remember hearing it. Did anyone else hear it or was it cut?
I also loved the unexpected tribute to Independence Day where the chase sequence between Maria and Minn-Erva was a beat-for-beat recreation of Hiller's battle with one of the attack fighters through the Grand Canyon.
The double Stan Lee tribute was awesome. I teared up during the logo sequence and I got a good laugh out of Stan Lee reading his Mallrats script. Thank you, Stan, indeed!
Speaking of cameos, I read on Wikipedia that Kelly Deconnick had a cameo but I missed it. Did anyone else spot it?
And, of course, Goose every scene he (?) was in. I especially loved the classic cat moment in the post-credits scene.
Another fine addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe!
I've known very little about Carol's history other than two of the Deconnick books I was able to read at the library (and not even a full-story arc), but I thought the film did a very good job in introducing her story in a non-linear fashion, weaving in origins with her current situation and learning the truth about her powers and history as we did. Although I wish we had seen more of them, I thought Maria and Monica were great additions to Carol's story and I look forward to seeing them in future films.
I liked the double twist of the storyline. For months there was silly speculation about who Jude Law was playing, but it was a nice little diversion from the fact that Annette Bening was playing not just the Supreme Intelligence but also Mar-Vell. I don't think I saw a single person in this forum guess that she had that duel role, even if most of us figured out Law was playing Yon-Rogg and not Mar-Vell. I also liked how the Skrulls turned out to be relative good guys (or at least Talos and his group) and that the Kree continue to be royal assholes as we've seen throughout the MCU.
All of the 90's songs were great, but I especially loved the use of "Just a Girl" during her kickass sequence aboard Mar-Vell's science ship. I noticed in the credits that "Man in the Moon" was included but I don't remember hearing it. Did anyone else hear it or was it cut?
I also loved the unexpected tribute to Independence Day where the chase sequence between Maria and Minn-Erva was a beat-for-beat recreation of Hiller's battle with one of the attack fighters through the Grand Canyon.
The double Stan Lee tribute was awesome. I teared up during the logo sequence and I got a good laugh out of Stan Lee reading his Mallrats script. Thank you, Stan, indeed!
Speaking of cameos, I read on Wikipedia that Kelly Deconnick had a cameo but I missed it. Did anyone else spot it?
And, of course, Goose every scene he (?) was in. I especially loved the classic cat moment in the post-credits scene.
Another fine addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe!
I knew that Annette Bening was playing a dual role, but I assumed the other role would be Carol's mother. The Mar-Vell reveal was a pleasant surprise. I've said from the start that Mar-Vell was completely unnecessary to Carol's origins, and I stand by that, but this was a fun nod. the only bad thing about it is that it gives the people comparing it to Green Lantern a little more ammunition than they might have otherwise.
Kevin Smith reacts to the Mallrats Easter egg...
https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/03/...esponse-to-captain-marvels-mallrats-reference
https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/03/...esponse-to-captain-marvels-mallrats-reference
That stood to me as well. It's not crucial by any means, but I kind of wish it was retained. Maybe it cut for pacing reasons?
That tripped me up, too. Did he have some kind of silent Quinjet that we didn't see or something? Kind of weird that he was able to intercept her so quickly, even if he figured out where she was going (S.H.I.E.L.D. used Alta Vista to track people before Google did it!).
Refresh my memory: What exactly did Coulso say about his knowledge regarding the Kree prior to Sif and T.A.H.I.T.I.? Did he explicitly state he hadn't heard of them prior to those events?
I thought that was weird, too, but I brushed it off as one of those happy coincidences.
I didn't see any big green fly swatters, so, nope, I didn't make any connection.
So, I enjoyed this. It was fun, and it exceeded my expectations. The 3D experience was outstanding, as were the visuals across the board. I did have the experience of there being an ever so slight uncanny valley regarding Fury and Coulson, but only for some of the time, and it was fleeting.
I think Brie Larson did an outstanding job. It was entertaining to see Carol/Vers and Fury together. There was funny stuff in the film. I loved the "What's wrong?" when the computer was just loading.
The beginning was excellent, and the revelations made throughout the movie of what was happening clicked together fairly well.
Three important points didn't quite make sense or required filling the blanks in. Of course there were assholes talking in normal voices and kids crying, so it wasn't a perfectly ideal viewing experience.
I presume that Bening's Mar-Vel chose primitive Earth to hide from the Kree. If that was spelled out, I missed it. But that makes sense, I think. [ed - But also somehow she'd tracked the Tesseract there. That whole part of the story could have used some more fleshing out, since there were a lot of missing pieces. Once she had it, she could have gone anywhere with the Tesseract, though, it seems. So, it seemed she was staying on Earth to lie low?]
I didn't understand what the Supreme Intelligence wanted when it linked up with Carol aboard the laboratory/refugee craft, as mainly what that accomplished was giving Carol the ability to remove her own restraining bolt. Was it to try to subjugate her and turn her into a weapon that the Kree could control? If it was, then it backfired spectacularly.
Carol switching sides and accepting the Skrulls as allies happened too fast. But it also felt like a typical instance of the compressed-time trope, you know like Kirk falling madly in love with Rayna over a span of a few hours, and for that reason it didn't bother me very much.
Getting back to the pluses, I really liked how Carol didn't let her former Kree mentor and superior manipulate her anymore, and asserted that she didn't have anything to prove to him. That was an unambiguous and powerful feminist message, and it was also good payoff and a fitting climax given the obstacles that Carol had had to face and overcome.
Although this had much in common with other MCU films, including the refugee themes in common with Dark World, the criticisms some have made about it being just a formulaic MCU film didn't register with me. I thought this had its own tone and visual language.
I enjoyed it, but I did have issues with important things that weren't clear or that weren't perfectly handled, though nothing that was a show-stopper, so A-.
I think Brie Larson did an outstanding job. It was entertaining to see Carol/Vers and Fury together. There was funny stuff in the film. I loved the "What's wrong?" when the computer was just loading.
The beginning was excellent, and the revelations made throughout the movie of what was happening clicked together fairly well.
Three important points didn't quite make sense or required filling the blanks in. Of course there were assholes talking in normal voices and kids crying, so it wasn't a perfectly ideal viewing experience.
I presume that Bening's Mar-Vel chose primitive Earth to hide from the Kree. If that was spelled out, I missed it. But that makes sense, I think. [ed - But also somehow she'd tracked the Tesseract there. That whole part of the story could have used some more fleshing out, since there were a lot of missing pieces. Once she had it, she could have gone anywhere with the Tesseract, though, it seems. So, it seemed she was staying on Earth to lie low?]
I didn't understand what the Supreme Intelligence wanted when it linked up with Carol aboard the laboratory/refugee craft, as mainly what that accomplished was giving Carol the ability to remove her own restraining bolt. Was it to try to subjugate her and turn her into a weapon that the Kree could control? If it was, then it backfired spectacularly.
Carol switching sides and accepting the Skrulls as allies happened too fast. But it also felt like a typical instance of the compressed-time trope, you know like Kirk falling madly in love with Rayna over a span of a few hours, and for that reason it didn't bother me very much.
Getting back to the pluses, I really liked how Carol didn't let her former Kree mentor and superior manipulate her anymore, and asserted that she didn't have anything to prove to him. That was an unambiguous and powerful feminist message, and it was also good payoff and a fitting climax given the obstacles that Carol had had to face and overcome.
Although this had much in common with other MCU films, including the refugee themes in common with Dark World, the criticisms some have made about it being just a formulaic MCU film didn't register with me. I thought this had its own tone and visual language.
I enjoyed it, but I did have issues with important things that weren't clear or that weren't perfectly handled, though nothing that was a show-stopper, so A-.
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The way I might approach it is to spend the first act cutting back and forth between Carol and "Vers" for most of the first act, culminating in her capture by the Skrulls and the memory machine, making everything prior a flashback within a flashback. That way I think we'd get a better sense of who Carol *was*, directly contrasted with who Vers *is*.
I'd also add to that 'The Dirty Half Dozen' just prior to 'Age of Ultron', since it leads directly into the opening sequence of the movie. You probably don't need to bother with 'The Well' though. Yes, it picks up in the aftermath of the Greenwich incident, but the actual plot doesn't really have anything to do with it and it's not as if the Berserker Staff is all that significant in the grand scheme of things.
Honestly, I think they made the right choice in placing Mar-Vell as Carol's Abin Sur. It pays respect to the source material, streamlines Carol's story and gives a non-convoluted reason why this character is named after the publishing company that created her.
The similarities to GL are only superficial and then, only partially. Indeed, the character arcs are polar opposite in the sense that Hal is a maverick who learns to be part of a much larger team, while Carol is a good soldier who questions the morality of her superiors and goes rogue.
Well no, he didn't explicitly say "I've never met or heard of a Kree before, nor did I at any point was I aware of Captain Marvel" or anything, but in the context of the respective scenes, his non-reaction to the mention of the Kree, both in Sif's initial appearance and when an actual Kree start showing up feels implicitly incongruous in the context of this movie.
It's not a direct contradiction, but it's hardly a seamless match either.
I presume that it was mostly because Earth was where the space stone was. How she knew it was there is a bit of an open question. One might presume she somehow found out that's where Odin stashed the Tesseract from some Asgardian source or another. Or perhaps more likely given the timing: she was already researching the FTL tech when she detected Schmidt getting zapped to Vormir and tracked the wormhole back to it's source.
But yes, C-53 being a primitive backwater probably also helped keep her research from prying eyes. I mean, it's hardly the first time the Kree have used Earth as a clandestine testing ground.
Yeah.
I edited in an additional remark about the Tesseract before you posted. But that still circles back around to lying low, I think, given that once she had managed to become entrusted with the Tesseract, she could just split with it the same way she came to Earth in the first place, presumably, right? Heck, she could have just immediately stolen it out from under SHIELD's noses, I'd think, and gone somewhere more secure, if there was such a place.
Obviously Earth wasn't perfectly secure, because the Kree zeroed in on her prototype craft while it was doing a trial run.
That's how I read it and I don't mind that left being unexplained. Maybe something about her tracking down the Tesseract (although when would have that been stated?), but otherwise I'm fine with as is.
That was probably my favorite scene of the film, especially Carol's reaction to Yon-Rogg's toxic egging for an "even" fight. Blast in the chest, followed by dragging by the arm and tossed like a ragdoll into his ship.
I half remember something...
One out matched guy talks a guy with a gun into putting his gun down for a fair fight, and then the outmatched guy picks up the gun and shoots the other guy.
"mano e mano, who falls for this shit?"
One out matched guy talks a guy with a gun into putting his gun down for a fair fight, and then the outmatched guy picks up the gun and shoots the other guy.
"mano e mano, who falls for this shit?"
I just write off any issues in Coulson's memory to the Tahiti project memory replacement program.
That's as good as any handwave. Probably don't need anything more.
I just got back from a trip to the movies and we saw captain marvel.
I give it.... a C
I am quite a harsh movie grader in general, if something like Schindlers List is an A, then you can see my grading criteria
Overall a good movie, Brie did quite well I thought, Samuel L Jackson is always a pleasure.
I would have liked them to use the 90s nostalgia a little bit more, and seen Maria get a bit more screen time as she was very cool.
The standard lee tribute was amazing I give that part an A
It's basically on the same level as Thor 1 for me
So a C from me, a fun origin movie that does the job and sets up for better outings for the character in future now the origin is out of the way.
I give it.... a C
I am quite a harsh movie grader in general, if something like Schindlers List is an A, then you can see my grading criteria
Overall a good movie, Brie did quite well I thought, Samuel L Jackson is always a pleasure.
I would have liked them to use the 90s nostalgia a little bit more, and seen Maria get a bit more screen time as she was very cool.
The standard lee tribute was amazing I give that part an A
It's basically on the same level as Thor 1 for me
So a C from me, a fun origin movie that does the job and sets up for better outings for the character in future now the origin is out of the way.
I mean, it would ruin any mystery. I know I didn't need a mystery, but I'm sure some people didn't know who the character was.
This.
So Kids today are totally unfamiliar with Zardoz?
I have a sexy accent, so I pronounce Danvers as Danvars, but even so, it took me half a second to crack their code.
I have a sexy accent, so I pronounce Danvers as Danvars, but even so, it took me half a second to crack their code.
I thought it was decidedly better than the first two Thor movies. Thor 3 was pretty good, though; Captain Marvel is more on that level, but I enjoyed Captain Marvel a bit more.
They didn't look and sound alike. Fury's boss looks like Ben Mendelsohn, Talos is green and has huge ears. Fury's boss has an American accent, Talos has a Kree (Aussie) accent.
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