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Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

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The cop she stole it from put out the APB.

Which is how Fury found out that there was missing bike.

Too early for GPS?
 
Yeah, its not Mar-Vell if the character is a woman. You can change the race of a character with generally no real effect, but gender swapping does just make it a different character, full stop.
You continue to confuse fact with opinion. Mar-Vell is a woman in the movies, I saw Annette Bening playing her. Captain Marvel is a woman, too. Brie Larsen was playing her in the new movie with Annette. Your disliking that does not change the fact that the characters are female in the MCU whether you like it or not.
 
I liked that they brought out the name Lawson.

Captain Mar-Vell's secret identity from the 60's comics. :)
Yup, and Walter to Wendy, even down to being a scientist on the base. I really enjoyed Annette in this, especially when she got to really chew the scenery in that scene before she fights with Carol.
 
So here's some positives and negatives for the Agents of SHIELD fans among us that have been rattling around in my brain: -
  • More Coulson: yay!
  • No May: Boo!
  • Coulson heard of the Kree before Sif and T.A.H.I.T.I.? Maybe Fury wiped out those memories too, just to be safe.
  • SHIELD feels very low key at this point. No helicarriers, no particularly fancy toys, no flying cars. Just suits, badges and old school spy-craft. Maybe without Howard Stark, Hank Pym and Peggy the agency is in a bit of a post cold war slump?
  • So does this retcon the idea the Fury was Coulson's S.O. out of the Academy, or do we wave it away with "Fury was a *lot* of rookie Agents' S.O. over the years"?
  • A tiny part of me really hoped somebody would mention the term "0-8-4". Oh well...
[ETA] Non-AoS random thought: Anyone else find it a little weird that Fury's boss just so happened to look and sound like the Skrull leader if he were human and just so happened to get temporarily replaced by him? Seems like an odd coincidence so it makes me wonder if at one point in production the Skrulls had infiltrated SHIELD and Talos had been in place, working his way up the ranks since the 70's.

The Tesseract is more powerful than a white hole?
The space stone can control the fabric of space across the entire universe and may have itself been formed by a supermassive white hole (commonly known as "the big bang".) So I imagine yeah, the Tesseract could eat white holes for breakfast, turn quasars inside out and make magnetars dance! ;)
How did the cube get from the Red Skull's hand, to Project Pegasus, in just 35 years?
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- In the 22 or so years since, she has yet to return to Hala and take out/modify the Kree Supreme Intelligence?
We know exactly 2 relevant facts about that time: 1) Both Carol and the Kree Empire still exist. 2) Carol got a new outfit and hairdo.

KSI may have gone after her at some point (perhaps several) but those are stories yet untold. I don't see any reason for Carol to return to Halla just to pick a fight.

- Back in 2012 Fury did feel Loki invading Earth (with the assistance of Thanos) a large enough emergency to use the Beeper?
Maybe he did the second the wormhole opened up, only she didn't show up until everyone else was out having shawarma.

- Did it really take 22 years for her to find the Skrulls a new Homeworld?

That was just Step 1. Step 2 was "stop an inter galactic war that's been going on for centuries." That's not something you knock out in a weekend. Also some other stuff may have come up.

It confused me at first, but I think the idea is that an engine that would let you travel faster than light anywhere (and not just at jump points) would prevent the Kree from following.
Yeah, this was kinda poorly explained. Both what the engine could do and how the jump points work. Maybe there was some expeditionary dialog that was cut somewhere along the way?

2. An ancient race, possibly very long lived, or just very stubborn, built a very large self sustaining gate system millions of years ago, laying gates about the universe, at sublight speeds.

3. An ancient race, which had ftl engines, or the tesseract, or something just as powerful like a rainbow bridge, built a large self sustaining gate system.

4. In either case of 2 or 3, the ancient aliens, or their surviving automatons, could still be alive, and at work enbiggening the artificial gate system deeper out into the universe.

Didn't the Shi'ar build a galaxies spanning star gate type network in the comics? Maybe that's what this is and the Shi'ar are a long extinct/diminished/ascended to a higher plane race? That last option might be fun since it'd be just like Marvel Studios to do a much better version of the Phoenix saga three seconds after they get the rights to it back.

Too early for GPS?
Probably not for SHIELD.
 
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About this messing with Coulson's lack of knowledge about the Kree in the show...

...Coulson never met any of the Kree in this movie.
 
About this messing with Coulson's lack of knowledge about the Kree in the show...

...Coulson never met any of the Kree in this movie.
But he knew the name and that they had visited earth, as per his conversation at the end with Fury regarding his eye. That at least some of them were of the blue skinned persuasion should logically have come up to in any intelligence report he might have given.

I'm not saying it's a deal breaker or anything and this kind of thing is to be expected since the TV shows & movies stopped playing nice, but it does retroactively make some of Coulson's scenes in AoS seem a little odd in this new context.
 
:cardie: Holy idiotic Rule 63, Batman. Yeah, its not Mar-Vell if the character is a woman. You can change the race of a character with generally no real effect, but gender swapping does just make it a different character, full stop.

It's hilarious how people can be okay with literally changing a character's *species* (Drax not being human in the MCU), but change the gender and it's somehow a step too far.
 
But he knew the name and that they had visited earth, as per his conversation at the end with Fury regarding his eye. That at least some of them were of the blue skinned persuasion should logically have come up to in any intelligence report he might have given.

I'm not saying it's a deal breaker or anything and this kind of thing is to be expected since the TV shows & movies stopped playing nice, but it does retroactively make some of Coulson's scenes in AoS seem a little odd in this new context.

Remember that they also said his memories had been altered or scrambled via the revival process.
 
Remember that they also said his memories had been altered or scrambled via the revival process.
I don't think they've ever mentioned any memories being affected other than the one's specifically to do with T.A.H.I.T.I. and his "recovery".
Besides, I literally already said "Maybe Fury wiped out those memories too, just to be safe."
 
I give it a B.

Negatives come in from much of the same old Marvel formula, which is fine but after 21 movies, let’s do more to break it up a little. Also a little predictable. I don’t know the character at all and i imagine based on certain reactions that they’ve made some changes. But that the thing on Carol’s neck was an inhibitor was pretty obvious as was Jude Law’s character being the baddie as were the Skrulls being less than villainous.

But on the positive end of things, I liked that we weren’t treated to too much of a special effects bonanza as a final boss battle, I thought Larson did a great job, it was nice to see Coulson again on the big screen, Jackson was awesome, as was the cat, the soundtrack was fun and I liked the message of the movie.

It was good albeit nothing spectacular but I’m excited to see how Danvers will play in Endgame.
 
I assume that the memory wipe affected everything to do with the Kree.
And yet one assumes he still remembers the mission itself, hence this line in Iron Man. yeah I know, it's not explicit, but it'd be weird if the movie that just came out was entirely wiped from his memory this whole time. It feels a little too cheap.
But that the thing on Carol’s neck was an inhibitor was pretty obvious
I never got that it was ever meant to be any mystery there. The point wasn't that it was holding her back so much as Carol was repeatedly told she can't fully control herself (aka: gaslighting) and that was meant to stop her going nuclear. In taking it off, she was finally trusting herself; Literal self-empowerment.

Though I do tend to agree with the larger point that the plot felt a little too predictable in places. Which for me isn't always necessarily a negative, but in a story that's meant to be about self discovery, it's probably not a good idea for the audience to be waiting for the main character to catch up to what they saw coming 40 mins ago.

[ETA]: On reflection, I'm beginning to suspect that some of the pacing and story issues may be because at some point in development the movie was written to be much less linear in it's telling. What with all the flashbacks, memory meddling and identity questioning it could have been a lot more free flowing and unconventional, but at some point, someone got cold feet and decided to pull a 'True Romance' and rearrange everything back in chronological order (except it worked much better in Rrue Romance.)
I have exactly zero evidence to back this up, mind.
 
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I suspect the story was intended to be non-linear from the beginning. I'm not sure there's a better way to tell it. Would it be better if the second act was her losing her memory and trying to remember it again? But, by doing it this way, you necessarily lose a lot of emotional impact of her prior life. In a way, it's fitting because she too lost that emotional impact, but it makes it less satisfying.

I'm about to start an MCU rewatch for Endgame (iirc, it's the first time I've rewatched any of these films in full). My only debate is whether I should try to squeeze any of Agents of SHIELD (season one) into it as well. Given the compressed timeline, it might be tricky, but I might be curious if I can see how it all fits.
 
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