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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"

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It hilarious. When Disco is serious, there are those who complain "where is the fun, Star Trek is supposed to be fun?!". And when its fun they complain again, "how come it isn't dead serious?"

Yeah nope. This person who cut his teeth on TOS was properly pleased and appreciative and actually remembers the music from the series. But then I guess you don't think someone who has been a fan since long before TNG was a twinkle in Goddenberry's eyes counts..
Just expressing my opinion pal. No need to be on the offensive or think your opinion doesn't count in my eyes. The last time I checked people don't have to like 100% of everything all the time.

I thought it was a type of flashback that a news station might come up with. I thought they could have done something different.
 
Technically true, but that was a formal fight where Spock used weapons and not martial arts.

Spock was supposed to do karate chops in one scene, but Nimoy disagreed and created the famous Nerve Pinch. So there was an effort by Nimoy to tone down Spock's hand to hand combat in TOS itself.

IIRC the original scripted scene had Spock basically attacking Savage Kirk via knocking him out with the butt of his phaser from behind, and Nimoy just though it would be more interesting to do it in different manner. The circumstances with the guards are very different as he had to confront them face to face before nerve pinching them all.
 
I thought the black hole illusion when the shuttle arrived at Talos was awesome. It took me a few seconds to figure it out. Very cool, and definitely shows how powerful the Talosians can be, as alluded to in The Cage.
That was a good scene, even I knew they were going to Talos it completely slipped my mind that it might be an illusion. Updated effects work very well to show their powers.
 
I have a feeling that Anson Mount's career is going to get a huge boost. His work this season as Pike has been top-tier stuff. I'm grateful they didn't cast him as Lorca in S1. He was made for Pike.
then again... Black Bolt
 
Honestly though, there's a diminish emotional return to repeat the same blithering screeches over and over again. I still see it on other sites though although yes, only a fraction of what I saw back at the beginning of S1. Just today I read that someone claimed that he wants to punch his screen because of the supposed look of smugness on Burnham's face he sees when he watches the show.
Apart from here, I’m a member of a few A/V gear discussion boards (audio gear is a hobby of mine). One, in particular, has an excellent track record for debunking audio myths (advice that, if followed, would save people significant money). I’ve long admired the site’s effectiveness at explaining technically complex gear in clear fashion.

Relatively recently, the site added a contributor who comments on content (mostly TV and movies). A natural addition—after all, the purpose of acquiring A/V gear is to view and listen to content. A few weeks ago, there was a column on All-Access and whether DSC was a powerful enough draw to keep it afloat. At least that’s what the headline suggested would be the topic. After some criticism of the app and its apparent technical shortcomings (commentary to be expected on such a site, though as I live in Canada I have no experience with the app), the article quickly devolved into vitriol.

Not real Trek
Burnham the ultimate Mary Sue
Spits on the canon
Plagiarized a video game
Full of SJW crap
Engages in white male bashing
Etc.

Ok. It’s an opinion piece. But then the site owner chimes in (up to this point I thought he was a reasonable person) and doubles down on the SJW and white male bashing, as well as the plagiarism angle. Frankly, I was shocked. I argued back and forth on the discussion board, thinking he would be open to evidence and facts (the foundation of his site regarding A/V equipment, after all). Nope.

I wasn’t trying to get him to like DSC, merely rebut some obvious factual errors about the show. But not a chance. Oh well, the Dunning-Kruger effect is really that powerful, I guess.
 
Apart from here, I’m a member of a few A/V gear discussion boards (audio gear is a hobby of mine). One, in particular, has an excellent track record for debunking audio myths (advice that, if followed, would save people significant money). I’ve long admired the site’s effectiveness at explaining technically complex gear in clear fashion.

Relatively recently, the site added a contributor who comments on content (mostly TV and movies). A natural addition—after all, the purpose of acquiring A/V gear is to view and listen to content. A few weeks ago, there was a column on All-Access and whether DSC was a powerful enough draw to keep it afloat. At least that’s what the headline suggested would be the topic. After some criticism of the app and its apparent technical shortcomings (commentary to be expected on such a site, though as I live in Canada I have no experience with the app), the article quickly devolved into vitriol.

Not real Trek
Burnham the ultimate Mary Sue
Spits on the canon
Plagiarized a video game
Full of SJW crap
Engages in white male bashing
Etc.

Ok. It’s an opinion piece. But then the site owner chimes in (up to this point I thought he was a reasonable person) and doubles down on the SJW and white male bashing, as well as the plagiarism angle. Frankly, I was shocked. I argued back and forth on the discussion board, thinking he would be open to evidence and facts (the foundation of his site regarding A/V equipment, after all). Nope.

I wasn’t trying to get him to like DSC, merely rebut some obvious factual errors about the show. But not a chance. Oh well, the Dunning-Kruger effect is really that powerful, I guess.

I'm a white male. I've never seen any white male bashing on DSC. WTH is wrong with people?
 
I'm a white male. I've never seen any white male bashing on DSC. WTH is wrong with people?
Well, it must be true. “Even my (his) wife notices it.”

A particularly ironic statement from him, given that, in the A/V hobbiest world, “even my wife” is code for justifying all sorts of snake oil purchases that he routinely debunks (as in “even my wife, who’s happy with her AM transistor radio for audio quality, can hear the clear improvement of the 5995$ Exotica Impossibilium XWF-9 power cable I recently added to my system”).
 
There's just one thing that really bothers me, now that we have the Talosians as the prime attention-getters right now. The problem that is bothering me is a big one. I mean, it is huge. I've been losing sleep and experiencing a high level of nausea and anxiety. There has been a lot of PTSD associated with it. It's horrible. It's the kind of thing that creeps up on you and completely blindsides you with a slimy, oozing, suffocating, whole-body Deneva-parasite-type of clingy nastiness:

What if Pocket Books allows Michael-Jan Friedman to write a trilogy called My Keeper's Brother .......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wtf::mad::brickwall::klingon::thumbdown::scream::angryrazz::censored::crazy::ack::barf2::barf:

:guffaw:
 
Well, it must be true. “Even my (his) wife notices it.”

A particularly ironic statement from him, given that, in the A/V hobbiest world, “even my wife” is code for justifying all sorts of snake oil purchases that he routinely debunks (as in “even my wife, who’s happy with her AM transistor radio for audio quality, can hear the clear improvement of the 5995$ Exotica Impossibilium XWF-9 power cable I recently added to my system”).

Amazingly, I have noticed that on A/V sites as well

Even my wife has noticed it.
 
EAS gave it a 6.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/dis2.htm#ifmemoryserves

His opinion on the opening recap

As could be expected after Burnham and Spock set course for Talos IV last week, "If Memory Serves" is much like a direct sequel to the very first Star Trek pilot episode, "The Cage". But this comes with a big caveat. In order to forge the ties, the Discovery episode starts with a "Previously seen on Star Trek" recap that uses footage from "The Cage". This old footage, however, is not edited the normal way as it is done with previous Discovery events, but is flipped through in the fashion of a pop-up book. This way, the recap looks technically sophisticated yet very stylized. In other words, it does not appear like something that happened in the "real" world of Discovery but as some sort of tale. In fact, the technique is much the same as the customary one in fantasy movies that begin with someone opening a fairy tale or comic book, upon which an illustration in the book gives way to a live-action scene.

I concede that stylization of classic Trek is the only way to handle the visual discrepancies with Discovery regarding the characters, the technology and the ship. "If Memory Serves" does an excellent job within these limitations, and I really like the final cut from Jeffrey Hunter's Pike to Anson Mount's. The resemblance of the two actors in their role is the arguably best visual link between Discovery and "The Cage" that still exists. But overall the style of the recap clarifies that the old look of Star Trek is not endorsed any longer, unlike it still was in DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations" or ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly". As much as "If Memory Serves" is meant as a homage of "The Cage", it only corroborates Discovery's depreciation of the look of the old Star Trek.
 
I usually conciliate the different visions in term of look or whatever in a simple way : the various Star Trek series tell stories that really happened, but in the style of the period in which they were filmed. I mean, both of these movies are about Robin Hood:

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or these ones that are about the Battle of Thermopylae
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But none of these can replicate what is exactly (or could be) happened, because they aren't documentaries :p. And the same is for Star Trek.
 
I'm a white male. I've never seen any white male bashing on DSC. WTH is wrong with people?

Hard same. A friend of mine in social work once told me (I promise this made sense in context) that people from, say, societies far removed from western influence rarely hallucinate Elvis when they check out for lunch.

In other words the terms in which we conceive of the world and project ourselves into it are as much products of existing cultural narratives as they are our internal ones.

There are prevailing power structures which are being confronted by a multitude of people in a multitude of ways in a multitude of settings. There's no denying that. Not all of these challenges are equivalent, certainly not all are good or useful or even necessarily benevolent of course. But many are all these things.

And of course there's the predictable, incorrigible reaction to change, which is where the scared white men come in. Narratives have formed which pit <insert dominant ruling class identity> against <anything else> in a very nationalist, xenophobic light.

I'm painting with a broad brush here but I find significant anecdotal overlap between those who think women are ruining video games, those who think immigrants are ruining society and hurting people, those who have irrational fears they'll be imprisoned for using the wrong gender, etc.

The common thread is feeling entitled to hold the sociopolitical and cultural reins, and only being able to conceive of this tension in reactionary, tribal, and violent terms because they aren't used to not getting what they want (in some important respects). If you've never had to compromise, the prospect might indeed seem terrifying.

Part of the solution though is characters like Pike portrayed by guys like Anson Mount. He's an exemplary white guy.
 
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