And this is the same (normally unseen) wall in Way To Eden. The door itself isn't visible, but Adam sneaks out to the Brig via the gap in between the strut and the aforementioned fourth wall.
Excellent catch @Mytran.
Also cool on the grilled wall.
TOS Enterprise Internals
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Excellent catch @Mytran.
Also cool on the grilled wall.
I have no idea why they stood that yellow grill in front of the wall. Maybe just to add some background detail?Excellent catch @Mytran.
Okay - quick thought here...
Maybe they were trying to create the image of there being more than one briefing room and more than one rec-room?
If you go by the old Franz Joseph blueprint set, there were several transporter rooms, briefing rooms etc...
Maybe they were trying to create the image of there being more than one briefing room and more than one rec-room?
If you go by the old Franz Joseph blueprint set, there were several transporter rooms, briefing rooms etc...
It looks like just one vertical screen but not against the wall. A little away from it. Maybe to create a separation for a little walk area for people entering from that doorway behind the strut.
I don't think the set was built with a fourth wall. I think they just moved partitions around as needed if they needed to have the fourth wall there.And this is the same (normally unseen) wall in Way To Eden. The door itself isn't visible, but Adam sneaks out to the Brig via the gap in between the strut and the aforementioned fourth wall.
Could it be a bathroom?
More likely a door to the corridor behind it. Adam? sneaks out through that exit to rejoin with with Sevrin in the aux control room.
More likely, a bathroom and a corridor. How many times have we've seen where people use "going to the bathroom" to slip out of the room for some nefarious activity?
Absolutely and this was a very common practise with most of the sets in TOS. I think (aside from the Bridge) only the Captain's Cabin set had the full set of walls, and in that case most of them were wild!
I found a page exploring the bathroom to the cabin and basically when the door opened, there was a wall behind it and no details. In at least one episode, a curved wall with a shelf (which I believe was originally part of Pike's cabin) can be seen. But the person who did it laid out the entire room based on that with a sick, toilet, and sonic shower to fill it out.
@Donny did a great job. It's not real until Donny models it! [URL="https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/donnys-tos-enterprise-interiors.212119/page-168#post-12456214"]Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors[/URL]
I had a chance to do some fiddling today, but what drew my interest was checked to see if Kimble or Slade was closer to the physical TMP model. While Slade's drawings have some details that are more accurate, what I'm seeing is that the Kimble nailed the shapes. Some areas that I will need to fix (which means redrawing the entire ship in all the views... oh darn); the lower sensor dome outer ring needs a different angle and larger openings, the pylons need to be thicker, the pylon base needs to be redrawn to match the flair where the pylon joins the secondary hull, the grid on the secondary hull needs to be redone, the pylon needs to join the nacelle higher, the details on the top of the nacelle need to be redone as the model has a more boxy shape. Overall Kimble got it right, but some areas are off just a bit. Slade has a larger upper and lower dome and some different shapes, but when I trace the model in photos and overlay it, they match up to Kimble's drawings, not Slade's. Slade's drawings are full of details to include, but his changes to the basic shape aren't matching my photos of the model.
And this does have an impact on the internal configuration if it impacts the port holes. So far it hasn't, but it is something I am checking. So far the only port movement has been that all the ports on the neck need to move forward.
For the TOS design, I plan to adhere slavishly to Gary Kerr's drawings so my drawings will differ from Sinclair, Cosimiro, Shaw and Covin (and obviously Franz Joseph and even Matt Jefferies). The only question I am having is how to arrange the ports on the unfinished port side. The ports on the underside of the saucer are not even and the ports on the refit and Excelsior aren't even so I'm thinking the ports on the port side will not be exactly the same. The ports on the edge of the saucer were never lit and never seen in any episode so the entire side of the ship is an open book. I'll mirror most of them, but a couple might get left off and some might get added. The rear port quarter of the saucer will probably have a couple of token lights as that is where I am placing the theater from Conscience of the King. I might have to extend this project to deck plans. But the first main focus is to get it far enough to get my Excelsior cross section finished. I am very close to having enough to do that. I just need to draw in the phasers and photon torpedo launchers and finalize the shuttle bay and cargo holds.
And this does have an impact on the internal configuration if it impacts the port holes. So far it hasn't, but it is something I am checking. So far the only port movement has been that all the ports on the neck need to move forward.
For the TOS design, I plan to adhere slavishly to Gary Kerr's drawings so my drawings will differ from Sinclair, Cosimiro, Shaw and Covin (and obviously Franz Joseph and even Matt Jefferies). The only question I am having is how to arrange the ports on the unfinished port side. The ports on the underside of the saucer are not even and the ports on the refit and Excelsior aren't even so I'm thinking the ports on the port side will not be exactly the same. The ports on the edge of the saucer were never lit and never seen in any episode so the entire side of the ship is an open book. I'll mirror most of them, but a couple might get left off and some might get added. The rear port quarter of the saucer will probably have a couple of token lights as that is where I am placing the theater from Conscience of the King. I might have to extend this project to deck plans. But the first main focus is to get it far enough to get my Excelsior cross section finished. I am very close to having enough to do that. I just need to draw in the phasers and photon torpedo launchers and finalize the shuttle bay and cargo holds.
If I might make a suggestion, try using Jefferies' TMOST drawing of the port side as inspiration. It's a good bet that the ports aren't an exact match with the starboard side. Regardless, kudos for going the asymmetric route on them.
I strayed today to working on the position of the TMP nacelles. I have determined with careful examination of the photos that the Nacelles are too high. This fixes the problem of where the pylons join the nacelles.
You can see that my carefully placed warp shafts no longer line up. But the angle of the pylons remains an even angle (Slade's drawings changed the angle to fix the issue as have a couple of others).
I also compiled the highest quality version of the original Richard Taylor design I could find.
These are really the construction drawings from which David Kimble updated the designs. So finding the same nacelle position error here is no surprise.
You can see that my carefully placed warp shafts no longer line up. But the angle of the pylons remains an even angle (Slade's drawings changed the angle to fix the issue as have a couple of others).
I also compiled the highest quality version of the original Richard Taylor design I could find.
These are really the construction drawings from which David Kimble updated the designs. So finding the same nacelle position error here is no surprise.
I have confirmed with the 1/1000 refit model and many photos of the studio model that my change in placement of the nacelles is accurate. The Kimble drawings have the nacelles rising higher than the bridge while the model has them below the level of the dome. Kimble's cross section (which I believe was taken from a photo of the model) also matches. I think I have found enough to give the TMP Enterprise it's own thread. I'll just finish up with what it has to tell me about the inside of the TOS Enterprise. I had to move the ports due to the grid lines (the Kimble drawing is completely wrong because the studio model has lines the follow the contours of the secondary hull instead of just horizontal lines). So there might be some cross over of the decks in the forward end of the secondary hull. That might make the matte painting looking down the shaft line up if I can add a deck. I also see that there is no clear connection between the walkway where Kirk comes in and the hanger decks aft. It looks like it lines up, but other things about those matte paintings are a little odd so a tweak here and there will not greatly impact it and might make it line up better. It means I will deviate from Probert's sketched decks, but that is fine. The goal is to use the cutaway poster as my main source anyway. I also rewatched when Kirk goes to Engineering in TMP and the upper deck does not have to be very spacious for the scene to work.
In this configuration, the top of the hanger remains the same, but the hanger decks have been altered, while the entire front of the Secondary hull has the same decks (though the centerline has shifted. This was determined by aligning the TOS deck layout to the ports and tweaking the port layout (cross referenced with photos of the model). The side airlock is that high off the centerline (about as high above the centerline as the opening is across).
