You mean just how Kirk, Spock and McCoy made up most of the landing parties
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x07 - "Light and Shadows"
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You mean just how Kirk, Spock and McCoy made up most of the landing parties
Makes perfect sense...
Yes, at this point in time Section 31 is well regarded by the command structure, however, It's fame (or infamy) is a separate issue. Starfleet is also, I would assume, a vast organization even in it's early history. Some intelligence organizations are widely known while others may be classified (and on a "need to know" basis). S31 seems on a reasonable track of development. Begins with noble purpose then zealotry sets in and corruption, due to lack of oversight, at some point takes root. Not unlike J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI (of course that organization righted itself eventually). The United States has had intelligence organizations that folks didn't know until decades later if at all. You can also figure by the time they are discovered another shadow organization has already replaced it. So to me there is no mystery to S31 mystery.
Most people in this country thought the CIA was the most secretive and effective intelligence agency until they learned more about the NSA. We probably know more about the CIA even with its strict cloak of secrecy than we do what the cafeterias at NSA headquarters serve their employees.
For the record, we don't know but it is covered in Secret Sauce.
For the record, we don't know but it is covered in Secret Sauce.
Is anyone else starting to worry this is going to tie into the temporal cold war stuff from Enterprise?
I hope not.
But I'm starting to see a low, but nonzero possibility Archer is somehow involved in all this, and they're doing the fanwank thing of canonically making him Future Guy.
Yes. This thought has creeped into my nightmares as well.
Worry? No. Because I liked ENT. 
I doubt it's the Temporal Cold War from ENT but if it somehow were connected to it I could think of far worse plot twists. The producers say they're honoring canon from across the franchise...well, that would be one very surprising and very controversial way of going about it.
I doubt it's the Temporal Cold War from ENT but if it somehow were connected to it I could think of far worse plot twists. The producers say they're honoring canon from across the franchise...well, that would be one very surprising and very controversial way of going about it.
The Original Series was annoying because it was all about how Kirk is this "great leader" all the time, and we see episodes devoted to his past relationships, his brother, his career, that time he was put on trial. We never have an episode devoted to Lieutenant Uhura or Ensign Chekov.
Worry? No. Because I liked ENT.
I doubt it's the Temporal Cold War from ENT but if it somehow were connected to it I could think of far worse plot twists. The producers say they're honoring canon from across the franchise...well, that would be one very surprising and very controversial way of going about it.
I think I'll leave this right here...
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/28th_century
If the probe the Discovery sent went "...500 years into the future..." (as Pike and Tyler found out), where does that leave us? Future Guy comes from the 28th Century. 23rd century plus 500 years is...the 28th Century.
I was not the greatest fan of Enterprise but the one aspect I did enjoy about it was the Temporal Cold War. If that is, indeed, what they're doing--resurrecting the plot or, at least, more neatly tying it up than they had--I won't be dissatisfied ;-)
It could be their definition of "clever."
After all, they thought turning some of the best, most nuanced performances on its head in S1 was clever, giving us Captain Moustache-Twirler and Franken-Manchurian Candidate instead of the readily preferable Gabriel Lorca and Ash Tyler.
Granted, it's a different writing team, but...
I don't know. One person's "can of worms" is another's "Oh, hey, I can sandwich this between the sutures of continuity!" I mean, isn't that how we got Discovery--and Burnham, specifically--anyway?
You may be right, but...Chekov's Gun is sitting there, on the table. They didn't mention "500 years" for nothing...
One of my many, many flaws, I suppose ;-)There's always one.
I might have enjoyed the Temporal Cold War if there had it been an actual story there rather than it being vaguely defined plot dressing. Daniels' first appearance had a real X-Files vibe to it. They just never developed it in any satisfactory way.
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You nerds just need faith.
And you know where I'm going with this so let's just get on with it.
And you know where I'm going with this so let's just get on with it.
I thought so, as well. I kept on waiting for better world-building, but...nope.
At first, I thought they were doing it to sort "iron out" the visual dressing differences and seeming discontinuity between how Enterprise looked and TOS. You know, all the temporal meddling rippled backwards and made things more advanced as a result. Kind of like they hinted at with the Kelvin Universe movies.
But...nothing doing.
Berman and Braga weren't fans. It was forced on them by the network. And it shows.
Yeah, their lack of faith disturbs me as well. I think they are all a little afraid. They don't already know where the season is going and what's going to happen. Star Trek isn't supposed to be nerve wracking. Its supposed to be comforting. They aren't getting enough hugs, is my guess.
It had its eerie moments and some good episodes but by "Cold Front, Parts I and II" it was a good thing that Manny Coto was doing away with it to focus on more TOS and Federation backstory. By the time we got the Na'khul and their time gateway in alternate 1944 and Space Nazis running around conquering the U.S. East Coast it had worn out its welcome and was no longer mysterious...just gimmicky and relying on old Star Trek tropes to set up a cliffhanger and then a season premiere.
Saw this on reddit, the shuttle controls have the previous shows abbreviations on them
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarTrekDiscovery/comments/aw8whf/did_anyone_notice_the_shuttle_controls/
Which one of them is labelled "STD?"
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