Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x07 - "Light and Shadows"

[RedAlert]

Looks like Leland will not see the season's end. Georgiou has to lead his own show.

Now... Talos IV ?
when I saw it, was... WOW!!!!

Then, I remembered that neither Spock or Pike know about that planet, on The Cage.
Soooo... Burnham has to go there alone or... this is a reboot of the Star Trek canon.

Jezz.. Mutara, and Talos IV in just one Discovery's episode, is that small the Star Trek universe?

But I liked, I don't know where the Discovery is taking us, but I liked.

 

[Phil123]

Disco is after the Cage.

Looks like Leland will not see the season's end. Georgiou has to lead his own show.

Now... Talos IV ?
we I see it, was... WOW!!!!

Then, I remembered that either Spock or Pike know about that planet, on The Cage.
Soooo... Burnham has to go there alone or... this is a reboot of the Star Trek canon.

Jezz.. Mutara, and Talos IV in just one Discovery's episode, is that small the Star Trek universe?

But I liked, I don't know where the Discovery is taking us, but I liked.

 

[Alan Roi]

It is like that latest Bond movie where the villain says he was behind the plots of the other three movies. Seems rather contrived.

Its really not. That whole reveal was about absolving Craig's Bond of his truly abominable trail of dead women he'd been leaving in his wake.

 

[Reyman]

Lots happening in this episode, or at least it felt that way. Thing have been set up nicely for the remainder of the season.

The Ash/Pike dynamic had a nice little twist and Discovery Spock seems to have a good screen presence.

Tilly aside a very solid episode.

 

[captainkirk]

From next week's preview:

It looks like in Spock's vision he discovers something in the ice. Frozen Borg? Crashed Voyager? Scotty and Keenser?

A lot of people have been comparing the modified probe to V'ger, now am I the only one who thinks these look like V'ger?

Disco gets chased by a Section 31 ship at warp. This seems familiar.

 

[DEWLine]

So the numbers Spock was repeating have been in the opening credits since episode 1

https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1101599265288261633?s=21

...huh.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Looks like Leland will not see the season's end. Georgiou has to lead his own show.

Now... Talos IV ?
when I saw it, was... WOW!!!!

Then, I remembered that either Spock or Pike dont know about that planet, on The Cage.
Soooo... Burnham has to go there alone or... this is a reboot of the Star Trek canon..

The Cage is 2254, it's now 2257... they both would know. But there's no death penalty for visiting it yet, as far as we know. Something must happen for the Federation to institute that.

Oh, another thought from last night- so, with those three red eyes/dots does that mean Brainiac is the Big Bad...

 

[Gov Kodos]

The Cage is 2254, it's now 2257... they both would know. But there's no death penalty for visiting it yet, as far as we know. Something must happen for the Federation to institute that.

Oh, another thought from last night- so, with those three red eyes/dots does that mean Brainiac is the Big Bad...

They would know about the Talosians and so would Number One and Yeoman Colt.

 

[DEWLine]

The map that the coordinate system is derived from:

http://rob-bocchino.net/FASA_Star_Trek/Maps_files/FASA Federation Maps Combined.JPG

 

[Jadeb]

I have to admit, I have not had a problem with Burnham being the focus. However, in this episode, when Leland was revealed to be allegedly responsible for the death of Burnham parents, I thought, "Now come on! That's pushing it a bit too far!"

I wasn't bothered by the connection to Burnham so much as mystified why they were acting like it was such a big deal. I'm sure Section 31 has done much worse, and Burnham doesn't seem particularly useful to them now. Did I miss something?

Maybe they plan to explain the reaction later, but I can see why having Section 31 tremble in their boots that Michael Burnham Might Find Out would feed the complaint that the universe circles around her.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I do like the shuttle design, very neat. Reminds me a bit of the raptors from BSG in their use of space

Thank you for saying that. I feel like the odd person out thinking they even had a raptor vibe in their design on the outside.

 

[Alan Roi]

I wasn't bothered by the connection to Burnham so much as mystified why they were acting like it was such a big deal. I'm sure Section 31 has done much worse, and Burnham doesn't seem particularly useful to them now. Did I miss something?

Maybe they plan to explain the reaction later, but I can see why having Section 31 tremble in their boots that Michael Burnham Might Find Out would feed the complaint that the universe circles around her.

They haven't portrayed Leyland as a heartless bastard thus far, IMHO. its entirely possible the death of her parents was not intentional and its something he feels bad about.

 

[Jadeb]

They haven't portrayed Leyland as a heartless bastard thus far, IMHO. its entirely possible the death of her parents was not intentional and its something he feels bad about.

Yeah, I'm finding the ambiguity about this incarnation of Section 31 kinda confusing.

 

[Vger23]

Yeah, I'm finding the ambiguity about this incarnation of Section 31 kinda confusing.

All part of the fun, I think. I was not in favor of S31 in Discovery at all, but it's been interesting the way they've handled it thus far.

Sometimes I think we fans don't give the writers enough credit. We can be very impatient. I was befuddled and let down after the "Brightest Star" Short Trek, because it made no sense. It wasn't until last week that it all came together for me.

I have a feeling S31 will be the same. We'll kind of need to wait the story out.

 

[Vger23]

They haven't portrayed Leyland as a heartless bastard thus far, IMHO. its entirely possible the death of her parents was not intentional and its something he feels bad about.

That's pretty much how I took it. Not that he murdered her parents, but that he dropped a ball somewhere that allowed the attack to happen successfully.

 

[Gonzo]

They haven't portrayed Leyland as a heartless bastard thus far, IMHO. its entirely possible the death of her parents was not intentional and its something he feels bad about.

That's pretty much how I took it. Not that he murdered her parents, but that he dropped a ball somewhere that allowed the attack to happen successfully.

Yeah that is what it looks like to me as well but its being kept ambiguous for now to keep us from being certain.

The bombing could easily have been made to look like it was the Klingons by S31, or potentially the Klingons reacted to Lelands previous actions by bombing the target and killing Burnhams parents, its possible they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and as such they were unintended collateral damage.

We are not meant to be sure, not yet and so far S31 could easily go either way in the future, which is sort of the whole point of S31 in the first place, no black and white only shades of grey.

Some are capable of making these kinds of decisions and living with them and some are not, context has always been king even before Lorca used the term last season.

Edit: Meant to quote Alan Roi alongside Vger23 and quoted Jadeb by mistake.

 

[Galaxy]

More interesting is Mirror Georgiou, is it the Defiant knowledge that is motivating her to help Burnham rescue Spock?

I got the impression that it is more then that. The Defiant knowledge is what led Mirror Georgiou to seek out and "adopt" Mirror Michael in the first place.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm going to guess that the Federation and Klingons had random isolated skirmishes from the 2220s to 2240s. I say 2220s to make Spock's "70 years" line from TUC still work. Somewhere in the middle, Section 31 probably wanted to size up just how much of a threat the Klingons really were in their fractured state.

Fighting just one faction of what used to be the Empire is better than fighting the entire Empire itself. So Section 31 probably gleaned from said skirmish that Starfleet isn't as battle ready, so they'd have to become more involved, but the Klingons at that point aren't much of a threat either. By being divided and having 24 different agendas, they were diminished as a threat, compared to the ENT Era.

So I'm guessing Section 31 was cold and clinical about something hostile. They were sticking a thermometer both into the Empire and the Federation to see where they were. Leland detached himself from it, but feels worse as time passes and buries it underneath in order to get by. By the time we see him in DSC S2, it's just one of a sea of things he's done.

That's my Crazy Fan Theory. I think he's hardened. He'd have to be, 20 years later. I think his niceness is a facade. He's pretending to seem to be what he wishes he actually was sometimes.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Is anyone else starting to worry this is going to tie into the temporal cold war stuff from Enterprise?

I hope not.

But I'm starting to see a low, but nonzero possibility Archer is somehow involved in all this, and they're doing the fanwank thing of canonically making him Future Guy.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

A good episode but a shame that everything is connected to Burnham, like the S31 Captain.

What about the whole Pike subplot? It was about him, it was about Tyler, and they got saved by Tilly and Stamets. That had zero to do with Michael. Also, it doesn't seem to me that Spock's loopy state has anything to do with her personally, either. She's there and she's driving, but she isn't the sole focus of anything.

But I'm starting to see a low, but nonzero possibility Archer is somehow involved in all this, and they're doing the fanwank thing of canonically making him Future Guy.

I love fanwank, I love ENT, I love Archer. I would love it if they went down that road. BRING IT!