My donut ganglia would be amazing to look at.
#64IndividuallyGrownFlowersThatTasteLikeCheese
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"
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My donut ganglia would be amazing to look at.
#64IndividuallyGrownFlowersThatTasteLikeCheese
Custodial work with a splash of sadism? They did keep their planet nice and paradisaical.
No Kelpien had survived through the Vaharai process for 2000 years, due to societal changes. The Ba'ul viewed them as a lower tiered species, not fit to govern themselves. The culling was sold as a mercy killing. They seemed to want to be revered as custodians of the planet (although also feared). I don't think they really had the urge to just wipe out a whole species, although they obviously had systems in place in case the unthinkable happened. As a species, perhaps the Ba'ul preferred to see themselves as enlightened benefactors as long as the Kelpiens didn't find out the truth, rebel and return to the old ways.
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The reason that no Kelpian survived the Vahar'ai in 2000 years (I thought they said 200 years) is because the Ba'ul murdered them all as the Vahar'ai began.
The reason that no Kelpian survived the Vahar'ai in 2000 years (I thought they said 200 years) is because the Ba'ul murdered them all as the Vahar'ai began.
Well, the Ba'ul did have a need for them. They did resurrect them after all, or someone did anyway. The question is, why go to the lengths of bringing back a dead species? Not for food. Kaminar was rich in food. Maybe out of guilt for wiping out another speices and redeeming themselves by keeping the population alive, while at the same time making sure they never become a threat again. This is a good motive.
Yes, but what I meant was that as far as maybe the Ba'ul were concerned, things were manageable with the Kelpien as long as they were killed before maturity. The Kelpien were adequately pacified and indoctrinated over those centuries so there was no driving need to exterminate every last one of them. Until, of course, the truth came out and they went into panic mode.
The Ba'ul says this after Saru shoots his darts at him: "The first Kelpien to pass the Vahar'ai in over two thousand years. And their primal, feral responses are the same as centuries ago."
What do you mean resurrect them, Lakenheath? They weren't a dead species.
The Ba'ul says this after Saru shoots his darts at him: "The first Kelpien to pass the Vahar'ai in over two thousand years. And their primal, feral responses are the same as centuries ago."
What do you mean resurrect them, Lakenheath? They weren't a dead species.
Worf and Jadzia were the only members of the command staff that had had a worldly enough career to have heard of Section 31.
the first show will depict picard dig up remnants of an allout war on kaminar
DC comics did a story examining Kirk's disregarding of the prime directive in The Apple which showed Gamma Trianguli 6 falling into chaos due to Kirk's actions. It would be interesting if the Picard show did something similar and showed us the consequences of Pike's actions on Kaminar 130-odd years later.the first show will depict picard dig up remnants of an allout war on kaminar
Young predators often are vulnerable, even if the adults are formidable, I could see that as evolutionarily advantageous.
I have a little bit of a sad that it is Pike, as opposed to an otherwise identical but new character. Say, Bob McTightPants from the starship Wellington, but the rest of the story is the same. That way we could keep this excellent new Captain character without the continuity bots exploding in our heads.
Two out of a Starfleet senior crew of five is a pretty poorly kept secret. Why Worf though? He's led a pretty straight laced existence and isn't any older than the others. I could more see O'Brien having come across them in the Cardassian war.
As enlisted personal or a non commissioned officer, O'Brien does what he is told without asking a lot of questions. He may have met Section 31, and worked for Section 31 in the war or on the Enterprise, but that doesn't mean that they identified themselves as section 31.
I said Jadzia might know because she is old as dirt. Although if you wanted your top secret cabal to stay secret, I would recommend that you avoid disclosing your existence to someone who might be alive for another 15 thousand years.
Worf is at the centre of everything which is why I said that he might know... But he is a textbook Klingon, and Section 31 spends a lot of time murdering uppity Klingons, who think they are safe inside the Empire, before they become real problems to the Federation. Worf might not have a problem with Section 31 killing assholes, but Section 31 is retarding the development of the Empire by pruning back innovation and growth, by killing thousands of assholes who collectively might have made the Empire better. Section 31 is racist and should hide from Worf, because he will pull them down as an enemies of the Federation and the Empire.
I said Jadzia might know because she is old as dirt. Although if you wanted your top secret cabal to stay secret, I would recommend that you avoid disclosing your existence to someone who might be alive for another 15 thousand years.
Worf is at the centre of everything which is why I said that he might know... But he is a textbook Klingon, and Section 31 spends a lot of time murdering uppity Klingons, who think they are safe inside the Empire, before they become real problems to the Federation. Worf might not have a problem with Section 31 killing assholes, but Section 31 is retarding the development of the Empire by pruning back innovation and growth, by killing thousands of assholes who collectively might have made the Empire better. Section 31 is racist and should hide from Worf, because he will pull them down as an enemies of the Federation and the Empire.
Pike is one of those blank slate characters though. I mean, we don't learn that much about him in The Cage or The Menagerie, or at least no more than we can learn about the totality of Kirk's character from The Wrath of Khan (the Captain feels a bit old and weary).
Defries's Pike is a square-jawed 50s Science Fiction hero with a strong sense of duty married to a twinkle in his eye. I think Roddenberry would have approved and I certainly see more shades of Jeffrey Hunter's Pike in Discovery than I did in the Kelvin movies, or for that matter The Menagerie.
Also, they wanted to bring Spock and the Enterprise in so for the main narrative to remain connected to that it kind of had to be Pike.
I keep thinking "that was the only one" when Saru had his encounter with the Ba'ul on the ship or was that merely a projection of a Ba'ul and that we won't hear from them ever again because what we saw was actually their technology on auto pilot keeping the cycle going for so long. Until the red angel came along and shorted everything out.
Solid 8.5 for this one. Great episode and loved the look of the Ba'ul.
In regards to the Ba'ul and Kelpien relationship, my guess is that Kelpiens didn't actually prey on the Ba'ul. I think the Ba'ul might have been a creation of Kelpiens, like a biological A.I. Unfortunately the Kelpiens were a violent species that almost destroyed themselves and kaminar. To prevent this the Ba'ul A.I took over and wiped out the mature Kelpiens.
I don't think the Kelpiens being allowed to mature will lead to a war but the uncovering of their true history and the discovery of remains of their once advanced civilisation.
In regards to the Ba'ul and Kelpien relationship, my guess is that Kelpiens didn't actually prey on the Ba'ul. I think the Ba'ul might have been a creation of Kelpiens, like a biological A.I. Unfortunately the Kelpiens were a violent species that almost destroyed themselves and kaminar. To prevent this the Ba'ul A.I took over and wiped out the mature Kelpiens.
I don't think the Kelpiens being allowed to mature will lead to a war but the uncovering of their true history and the discovery of remains of their once advanced civilisation.
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I will be very surprised if you dont get your wish for a Pike/Enterprise show, the only way it could be stopped is due to copyright issues or certain essential cast members not being willing to commit to it.
CBS must be seriously considering it at the very least, just need to see how Spock is received by the fans, Number One was given a pretty warm reception even though she wasn't in the previous episode for very long.
It could start when Discovery finishes or when the Enterprise's refit is complete, it all depends on how long they intend to keep Pike around for, will it be just this season until Spock is recovered or next season as well.
For gosh sakes, they are Kelpiens. They are eating kelp.
Wonderful episode and the Red Angel is such a cool mystery that I doubt the explanation will be as equally good. I was very surprised to see Pike give the order to dismantle the order on the Kelpien homeworld. A bit of a grey area surely in the Starfleet/Federation rule book.
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