Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"

[Lonemagpie]

I didn't say otherwise.


Gross dude. They're basically mother and daughter.

Except totally not - the Mirror Georgious and Brunham might have been, to some degree, but not Prime Burnham. And the actresses do seem to be teasing it that way. (And given how twisted the Emperor and her universe is, nothing would surprise me there - it's Game Of Thrones with starships in the MU)

 

[guyute03]

9. Show is not perfect, I'm not a fan of being able to predict what's going to happen next but we're in an amazing place here for a second season of a Trek show.
Pike. Everyone's top tier acting. Wonderful music. Characters I care about.
Very happy. Next week looks even better with a Saru epsisode.

What I noticed:

- Tilly & Michael's quarters, friendship revisted <3
- love the music at episode start
- kinda too many mentions of the word "Spock" in first 5 minutes
- Yep, the musical score rules
- Pike is a continued joy
- Cestus 3, I know that's a reference but memory fails
- Leland is wearing something similar to what Sloan wore on DS9
- I love the gold lighting tones highlighting the interior ship
- Sonequa's acting, again, stunning
- Section 31 is still awful AND "the bad guys"... I'm hoping Ash Tyler is their "O'Brien"
- Mary Wiseman's acting <3
- Ash is a mess, but I still miss him
- We need an Airiam episode
- incredible, movie quality cgi effects, as usual
- I'm guessing the "monster" is Dr Culber
- Not a fan of the predictablility
- Again, fantastic musical score this episode
- I like Pike vs Leland
- Ecstatic Culber is back, though not sure it was earned

 

[Turtletrekker]

- Cestus 3, I know that's a reference

Yup.

 

[Attentiveluke]

After last weeks episode I though DIS was slowly on the way up, but sadly it slides down again. The empress overtakes Burnham as the most annoying character. Watching her is like watching the klingorcs talk, I’m having to strain my ears to hear her pronounce English words and here mannerisms are a joke. The whole storyline about Hugh Pym and Tilly Van Dyne in the quantum rea... I mean the mycelial network was unoriginal and schmaltzy.

2/10

 

[dinzy]

There are two things which annoyed me about this episode:
1. The close-up of MB running.
2. The exagerrated importance given to the character when she walks onto the bridge. Everyone stops what they are doing and comes to attention when MB appears.

I like it when MB is a person, when she comforts her friend Tilly for example.

They all know her, know she is besties/roomates with Tilly and are aware that Tilly is in trouble. Plus she is their superior officer (for the most part). How would you expect them to act?

Plus there’s this thing called a history book. Or, you know, telling people. None of my family’s stories were written down yet I can tell you stuff that happened to relatives in the 1890’s.

All we really know about section 31 as of now is that it is has a small outfit of people that do shady, classified things. It makes little sense to assume they would be a well known unit.

We know that they had some involvement with Discovery in S1 as there were black badges on the ship. We know they have at least one ship that is advanced. And we know they operate similar to a CIA outfit. What would a senior officer in the US armed forces know about a small part of the CIA? Only the ones that had to interact with the CIA would have knowledge. Those on Discovery interacted with them so they know. Bashir and Sisko didn't know until they interacted with them. That makes pretty good sense. Just because something is shown on a TV screen does not make it universal knowledge to every character unless you think Trek should be like some bad video game AI where the whole game knows you stole something from a house you broke into and will shoot on sight.

None of this violates any cannon. The writers understand this and are probably wondering what the hell is wrong with fans who think like this. I don't mean to pick on you, there is tons of the same sentiment in this thread.

Further since Sisko and Bashir did not need to know, they did not understand how Section 31 fit into Starfleet. Clearly the DS9 writers didn't either, because it changed from what Bashir thought them to be, a fully rouge org, to something that admirals knew existed and worked with and likely were accountable at some level, just to a different standard. But maybe the writers did understand their plan for S31 and just made Bashir and Sisko assume things that were not true about the org. And being 100 years later, things would absolutely change. Heck things are drastically different in the US from what they were 10 years ago.

 

[dinzy]

it may have been mentioned before in this long thread … I haven't read every post

But now Ash has no longer murdered Culber technically.

Just like Burnham never was negligent in getting her captain killed.

officially

Attempted murder is still a pretty bad crime.

As for Burnham the only thing she did wrong was disobey orders. Her actions did not start the war as the show implied that everyone in Starfleet thought. Georgiou's death was due to the insane Trek trope of sending your top officers into danger instead of highly trained ( more expendable) specialists. I blame Fuller for this bullshit.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

This episode was pure Star Trek

And l especially like that they didn't kill off Tilly, but gave her a significant and well written role in that episode.

Culber's return, and the way it happened, was amazing.

Not much to not like in that episode imo.

10 points for me.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

So...Section 31's ship took out Connolly...

Think about it...

 

[rhllot]

- Cestus 3, I know that's a reference but memory fails
earned

Hopefully we can see a gorn some day

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Hopefully we can see a gorn some day

I wonder if "alligators" is a derogatory name for the Gorn?

 

[SJGardner]

So...Section 31's ship took out Connolly...

Think about it...

Or they just made it appear he crashed into them. Their asteroid disguise probably wasn't solid, so they might have just generated a fake explosion as he passed through the projection, and beamed him aboard...

Oh my god. That can only mean one thing.

Connolly is Control.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Or they just made it appear he crashed into them. Their asteroid disguise probably wasn't solid, so they might have just generated a fake explosion as he passed through the projection, and beamed him aboard...

Oh my god. That can only mean one thing.

Connolly is Control.

Well, yeah. Section 31 does like to recruit dead people. And Abe Lincoln is its Commander in Chief, most likely.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Why would they call themselves Section 31 if they aren't up to no good?

"Look, I know know these kids have changed their name from The Girl Scouts to The Hitler Youth, but I've got a hankering for some snickerdoodles that you wouldn't believe - let's see if they'll sell us a box. "

there must have been a sex change involved on top of that name change... Hitler Youth was a boys only organizaton. Now if you had said Bund Deutscher Mädchen, your analogy might be a little less flawed

 

[Lord Garth]

So...Section 31's ship took out Connolly...

Think about it...

See? I told all of you Section 31 was cool.

 

[Lord Garth]

Well, yeah. Section 31 does like to recruit dead people. And Abe Lincoln is its Commander in Chief, most likely.

Abraham Lincoln's my favorite President... but, no. He's a personal hero of mine. And I mean that non-ironically. Nixon wouldn't be a good choice either. He records everything. Lyndon Johnson or George HW Bush are who you want to go with.

 

[Alan Roi]

Abraham Lincoln's my favorite President... but, no. He's a personal hero of mine. And I mean that non-ironically. Nixon wouldn't be a good choice either. He records everything. Lyndon Johnson or George HW Bush are who you want to go with.

I would add Eisenhower to that list as well.

 

[Vger23]

It's interesting to read people complain that the show isn't following it's claim to being serialized.

The entire May plot has been serialized

This episode continues to sew the seeds of why the spore drive isn't maintained

We go back into S1 with Ash Tyler's continuing story, relation to Burnham, etc.

Culber's death has been a thematic thread since it happened.

The Spock search and red angel elements are touched upon, but yes, it is not significantly advanced. Other serialized plot elements, however, were advanced considerably.

Damn, are people impatient.

This is also another great indication of why producers should never listen to "what the fans want." People bitch about a serialized format. Now that they're weaving a more episodic approach with a slow-burn overarching story, everyone is bitching about that.

Some people just ain't gonna be happy. Move on, and tell your story.

These last two seasons have been a fucking blast, and beats anything produced in the franchise since DS9 S6, which itself was probably the best Trek season since 1989.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Abraham Lincoln's my favorite President... but, no. He's a personal hero of mine. And I mean that non-ironically. Nixon wouldn't be a good choice either. He records everything. Lyndon Johnson or George HW Bush are who you want to go with.

Yeah, but Lincoln shows up in space on the viewscreen later!

 

[Tuskin38]

Except totally not - the Mirror Georgious and Brunham might have been, to some degree, but not Prime Burnham. And the actresses do seem to be teasing it that way. (And given how twisted the Emperor and her universe is, nothing would surprise me there - it's Game Of Thrones with starships in the MU)

You’re reading into things that are not there.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Everybody does - it's called audience interpretation and is different (usually) than authorial intent.