when did TOS take place, 23rd century or 22nd century

This is what constituted comedy back then.

 

Thanks for sharing your ass, Dennis.

 

It's falling off a log, really...

 

He's not wrong.

 

I think it's worth noting that although Roddenberry apparently had designs on Andrea Dromm, according to quotes from Herb Solow and Dromm herself on Memory Alpha, nothing happened there.

I'm sure.

...So, is everyone good with the 23rd Century, then? Yeah? Okay. cool.

 

Works for me!

 

Um...she had a REALLY INTERESTING "Ponn Far" experience in the interim? (Everyone said it "Changed" her...)

 

I think for some of us they already have! This weird obsession they have with setting their shows pre-TOS is what annoys us! If they set their show after VOY then we couldn't argue with the changes made! Bald conker headed Klingons and Mirror Universe errors would no longer be errors!
JB

 

What from D C Fontana? No, I think it's only an error because the writers and producers hadn't yet settled on a name for the governing body behind Kirk! UESPA may also have been one of the earlier names for the space faring organisation that was sending men out into space!
JB

 

Connect the dots between my post and your comment.

 

Here's a thought: What if these were actually TWO people in-universe?

1. Lt JG Saavik who is a recent Academy graduate, half Romulan and Spock's protege. The emotional turmoil got to her and she went on shore leave after ST2
2. Lt Sa'vique is a more experienced officer and full Vulcan, who was posted to the Reliant and got rescued by Enterprise. Kirk got to know her a bit before she and David Marcus were reassigned to the Grissom.

Is there anything in the films that would contradict this theory?

 

Saavik's "Just like your father -- so human" line to David in TSFS is a direct callback to Saavik's dialogue with Spock in TWOK. Ditto her "Like your father, you changed the rules" line. On top of the huge coincidence you're suggesting, there'd have to be the additional coincidence that her brief acquaintance with Kirk just happened to make her aware of the exact same parts of his personality that Saavik spoke about in TWOK.

Also, would someone who was a stranger to Spock go so far on his behalf as Saavik did in TSFS?

 

If there were no emotion involved (and why would there be if she was a full Vulcan?) and it was the logical thing to do, why not?

As for the rest, these are script callbacks but not necessarily character callbacks. Perhaps Chekov used to tell entertaining tales of his old captain down in the Reliant rec room?

 

Because Vulcans are inherently very emotional. Logic is something they have to learn in order to control it. Which is why TWOK's filmmakers edited out the lines about Saavik being volatile because she was half-Romulan. Not only are Romulans biologically the same as Vulcans, but Vulcans are inherently highly volatile to begin with (see "All Our Yesterdays" or ENT: "Impulse") which is why they need to control their emotions so tightly.

If this alternate Saavik were as hyper-Vulcan as you postulate, then she'd never be so familiar in talking about a superior officer she barely knew.

 

Good point - Sa'vique (while not as inexperienced as Saavik) is still a young Vulcan and susceptible to inappropriate behaviour or a smug attitude form time to time (heck, many elder Vulcans have been seen to portray the latter!)

Purely going by what we see on screen though, what exactly did she do for teenage Spock that is so extraordinary - rub his finger? Since the pregnancy scene in ST4 was deleted, we really don't know what she did to Spock to calm him down. Vulcans are touch telepaths after all, so she may have been able to transfer some of her emotional control to him.

 

Look, I'm not going to get dragged into wasting my time on this silly premise. It was the same Saavik. She was just recast.

 

Transferring to the Grissom, there was a tragic transporter accident which altered her appearance and additionally made her considerably less interesting.

 

Of course! But the question was why (in universe, presumably) was there was such a dramatic difference in appearance between the Saavik in ST2 and the Saavik in ST3.

This is as good an explanation as any!
I would also volunteer that she went through the Pon-Face, an ancient Vulcan ritual that involves extensive plastic surgery

 

It was the damn Augment Virus. It's a bloody epidemic.