What extreme ideological dogma? Do you have an example?
when did TOS take place, 23rd century or 22nd century
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Yeah to put it in another way. I hope they don’t ruin it to point where even thinking about Star Trek will just give headaches. I mean I watch Star Trek to get away from politics (and I’m a “political junkie”) and relax.I'm not going into that because we don't discuss politics here.
Star Trek has been giving people headaches since the 1960's.
But you will make a drive-by remark. Okay....I'm not going into that because we don't discuss politics here.
Star Trek has been doing stupid things for over 50 years now. "The Alternative Factor." "And the Children Shall Lead." "The Counter-Clock Incident." The Final Frontier. "Shades of Gray." "Profit and Lace." And so on. It's never been "ruined." The thing about ongoing series is that they can move on past their mistakes and redeem themselves by doing good things again.
If you think Star Trek isn't about politics, then you may be watching, but you certainly aren't listening.
Which misses Christopher's point.
You just did.I'm not going into that because we don't discuss politics here.
Everything in your post was political provocation.
If you really think about it just about everything people say is political so I guess there is nothing that is non political.
But STD and The Last Jedi are not?
They and their creators have a point of view like most art forms. This is not news.
Who are those stories provoking?
You know that in 1966 there was a show called Star Trek that did politically controversial material, like endorsing draft resistance, etc. Maybe you've gotten too used to more recent, bland, timid entertainment - it's not like STD is anything other than conventional mainstream TV entertainment. Time to wake up.
Gene's original 'Vision' for Star Trek was always:
(.)(.) on a Casting Couch (How do you think the cute blonde in "The Cage" got to bump into the Lead Actor and get a speaking line: "Name's Smith, Sir."??)
and
$$ - Hell, he added Lyrics to the Star Trek theme KNOWING they would never be used but it allowed him to claim part of the Royalty fee for the Theme's use in the series.
If GR was around and had produced Star Trek in the same way he did in the 1960ies with what he pulled as Executive Producer - he'd be part of the #Metoo crowd of Hollywood typoes getting sued and fired.
I read a different rumor about why she didn't come back for the series, but it was uncorroborated AFAIK. Since it was uncorroborated, I'm not going to spread it, at least to any greater extent.
By the way, she was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before."
That was "Where No Man Has Gone Before." And Andrea Dromm may have been played up as the "female lead" in some publicity, but she actually got the lowest billing of all the credited actors in the pilot.
That's probably true, but that's a separate question from whether his creation was worthwhile or had a meaningful message. Sadly, a lot of great creators from that era were serial sexual harassers or abusers. It was an accepted, even tacitly encouraged part of the culture in those days.
But has it arrived in the right century?Well....
This thread has taken some interesting twists and turns.
