CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

[Admiral2]

It's funny; everyone complains about the CBSAA paywall but no one bats an eye at Netflix, Hulu or Amazon (and now Disney) doing the same thing. It's like people don't even appreciate that ~$10 a month can give you dozens of first-run TV shows and literally hundreds, if not thousands of past shows and movies ON DEMAND!

Well allow me to explain why I'm not batting an eye.

Paying for Netflix gives me access to Netflix's original content, lots of unique programs of various types that simply wouldn't be shown on regular TV or in theaters. Opinions on the quality of said originals vary wildly, but it's there, I like most of it, and I'm already paying for it.

There are only a handful of those past shows owned by CBS that I'd like to see, and some of them are already streaming on Netflix. I'm sure the vast majority are on hulu, so if I sprung for that as well it would essentially give me the same access to classics as AA.

As for first-run content, if there's a current show owned by CBS that I want to see, I'll plop my butt down on the couch and watch it on my TV when it comes on, using the cable service I am, again, already paying for.

Frankly, the only content on CBSAA that I can't possibly get anywhere else - STD and its demon spawn-er, spinoffs - is also content that I would rather gouge my eyes out than watch, making the exercise of paying for access to it a moronic one.

Is any more explanation needed?

 

[fireproof78]

So, it's a matter of value. Everyone will be different but I do not pay for cable and refused to do so. I'd rather have Netflix and occasionally pay for AA when something is on. And, it will eventually become a la carte with many media giants having their own streaming service. Disney is already doing so, rendering, and others are following suit.

I can see the frustration on the one hand, but on the other hand this is what companies are doing.

And, since Star Trek doesn't interest you what's the complaint again?

 

[JD]

I think you got that backwards. I'm pretty sure not liking it would be the excuse for not wanting to pay for it, and that would qualify for buying or renting DVDs and/or Blue Rays as well.

And even if you have it right, if I were willing to pay to see STD in any form, wouldn't it be cheaper to just pay for CBSAA for a month and binge season one than it would to buy the season on Blue Ray or DVD?

I guess.

I like one show on CBSAA, and that's Discovery. Plus, the app causes so many headaches for people, and up until recently did for me, too. I'd prefer it be on Netflix, where I could watch it with the hundreds of thousands of TV show and movie options I already have. I get why people might be irked because they're paying $6 a month for one show, that *still* has commercials, and is often unreliably delivered.

I mean, I consider CBS to be the Cops/Military/Gameshows channel, and nothing else interests me.

Discovery is only half the reason I got CBSAA, I also watch a lot of their regular network shows and I was getting frustrated because they lock them behind the CBSAA paywall after a few weeks. There were times I got busy watching other stuff and by the time I got back to the CBS stuff it had been locked, now with CBSAA I have all season to get caught up and don't have to worry about being locked out.

 

[Amaris]

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Discovery is only half the reason I got CBSAA, I also watch a lot of their regular network shows and I was getting frustrated because they lock them behind the CBSAA paywall after a few weeks. There were times I got busy watching other stuff and by the time I got back to the CBS stuff it had been locked, now with CBSAA I have all season to get caught up and don't have to worry about being locked out.

For you, then, there's quite a bit of value there, and that's cool. One of the reasons I didn't buy the DSC DVDs is because (1) there's little in season 1 I care to rewatch, and (2) , I already paid $7 a month to watch what I feel was not worth the price of admission, and buying the season 1 DVDs so I can not watch them again seemed kind of pointless for me. DSC and ENT are the only two Trek shows I've actually thought "do I? ...eh, nah" when it comes to owning them on physical media. For ENT, well... the reasons are many and varied, for DSC I just haven't seen the value in owning them yet. Maybe that will change, and season 2 will be great, followed by a terrific season 3, 4, and so on, and then I buy the first season just out of a sense of completion.

For now, though, CBSAA is barely holding my attention, and only just because I want DSC to get better, and I see these glimpses of great storytelling underneath the stuff I find so silly. I'm hoping it works out, though, but I doubt I'll ever figure I've gotten my value from CBSAA. Netflix? Definitely. Hulu? Hell yes. CBSAA? Blergh.

 

[fireproof78]

To me, this is the beauty of the streaming services. If I don't care for a companies production then I stop paying for it. It's not all bundled together, and I'm not tossing money at a whole lot of channels I won't ever watch. Ever.

Everyone wins.

 

[Admiral2]

So, it's a matter of value. Everyone will be different but I do not pay for cable and refused to do so. I'd rather have Netflix and occasionally pay for AA when something is on. And, it will eventually become a la carte with many media giants having their own streaming service. Disney is already doing so, rendering, and others are following suit.

I can see the frustration on the one hand, but on the other hand this is what companies are doing.

Agreed.

And, since Star Trek doesn't interest you what's the complaint again?

Nice try, fireproof. Star Trek Discovery doesn't interest me. The Star Trek I like is all over Netflix, and I'll be happy to peruse it there as long as it stays, and my post was only a response to jedman.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Is anyone seriously arguing for someone to pay for a service they don’t like and don’t want?

 

[Admiral2]

Is anyone seriously arguing for someone to pay for a service they don’t like and don’t want?

Not seriously, I don't think. At the moment it's just a pros and cons conversation...

 

[JD]

Of course not, and if it seemed that way it was not my intention, I was just talking about why I personally chose to sign up for CBSAA. And now there's also the new Twilight Zone which I plan on checking out.

For you, then, there's quite a bit of value there, and that's cool. One of the reasons I didn't buy the DSC DVDs is because (1) there's little in season 1 I care to rewatch, and (2) , I already paid $7 a month to watch what I feel was not worth the price of admission, and buying the season 1 DVDs so I can not watch them again seemed kind of pointless for me. DSC and ENT are the only two Trek shows I've actually thought "do I? ...eh, nah" when it comes to owning them on physical media. For ENT, well... the reasons are many and varied, for DSC I just haven't seen the value in owning them yet. Maybe that will change, and season 2 will be great, followed by a terrific season 3, 4, and so on, and then I buy the first season just out of a sense of completion.

I never buy anything that's on one of the streaming services I already pay for, so as long as I have CBSAA, I won't buy any of the Disco seasons.

 

[Noname Given]

Lol. I thought forecasters always nailed it.

^^^
Hey! That's what she said!

 

[fireproof78]

Nice try, fireproof. Star Trek Discovery doesn't interest me. The Star Trek I like is all over Netflix, and I'll be happy to peruse it there as long as it stays, and my post was only a response to jedman.

That's not what I meant, and I don't need the condescension. My point was that the Star Trek on AA doesn't interest you then what's the complaint?

 

[Admiral2]

That's not what I meant, and I don't need the condescension. My point was that the Star Trek on AA doesn't interest you then what's the complaint?

There was no complaint. Like I said, I was responding to another poster who wondered why fans who balk at paying for CBSAA don't balk at paying for Netflix, et. al. I explained my position.

 

[Amaris]

Of course not, and if it seemed that way it was not my intention, I was just talking about why I personally chose to sign up for CBSAA. And now there's also the new Twilight Zone which I plan on checking out.

I never buy anything that's on one of the streaming services I already pay for, so as long as I have CBSAA, I won't buy any of the Disco seasons.

Oh, I love TV series DVDs. I prefer older shows like M*A*S*H, Laverne & Shirley, Hogan's Heroes, WKRP in Cincinnati, Twilight Zone, TOS and so on. I think this is because I prefer physical media, but also because digital streamers lose rights when someone gets in a snit.

 

[fireproof78]

There was no complaint. Like I said, I was responding to another poster who wondered why fans who balk at paying for CBSAA don't balk at paying for Netflix, et. al. I explained my position.

Ah, yes. My mistake in reading comments like "moronic" and "gouge my eyes out" as complaints

Fair enough.

 

[dmac]

Oh, I love TV series DVDs. I prefer older shows like M*A*S*H, Laverne & Shirley, Hogan's Heroes, WKRP in Cincinnati, Twilight Zone, TOS and so on. I think this is because I prefer physical media, but also because digital streamers lose rights when someone gets in a snit.

I enjoy some of the older shows myself.
Over the years I became disenchanted in cable. not so much for the content but the service and price. We lived in a cable dead zone where an hour of service was a good day for an $80 dollar a month bill. This while our friends in San Jose paid $20 for better channels and great service.
2011, it's the pregame super bowl game and cable goes out and I was done with them.
I ran off to Walmart, picked up a digital TV and a flat antenna which picked up a few local channels, just good enough to watch the 2nd half of a pretty good game.
I kept thinking a better antenna would help but not much. One day I brought home the highest tech best rated $150 antenna. nothing.
Being an engineer I began to research the theory behind the digital antenna and designed my own multi directional tv antenna. Now I'm good for over 80 channels.
I can watch 4 different star treks a day, a channel with old Science fiction, a couple of western channels, a movie channel (50's -80's)
So for now, that and my fan film favorites, I've been a happy camper.
BTW. there is a web site that broadcasts most major cable channels, free no sign up or membership required.

 

[Amaris]

I enjoy some of the older shows myself.
Over the years I became disenchanted in cable. not so much for the content but the service and price. We lived in a cable dead zone where an hour of service was a good day for an $80 dollar a month bill. This while our friends in San Jose paid $20 for better channels and great service.
2011, it's the pregame super bowl game and cable goes out and I was done with them.
I ran off to Walmart, picked up a digital TV and a flat antenna which picked up a few local channels, just good enough to watch the 2nd half of a pretty good game.
I kept thinking a better antenna would help but not much. One day I brought home the highest tech best rated $150 antenna. nothing.
Being an engineer I began to research the theory behind the digital antenna and designed my own multi directional tv antenna. Now I'm good for over 80 channels.
I can watch 4 different star treks a day, a channel with old Science fiction, a couple of western channels, a movie channel (50's -80's)
So for now, that and my fan film favorites, I've been a happy camper.
BTW. there is a web site that broadcasts most major cable channels, free no sign up or membership required.

My parents just cut the cord. I was going to get SlingTV, but they didn't accept prepaid debit cards for some reason, so I went with someone who did: Hulu Plus Live TV. For their local favorites Hulu didn't cover, I've purchased them an amplified omni-directional antenna. I wanted an outdoor but it's an apartment. Still, between this and Hulu, their TV needs are covered, and for 1/3 the price.

 

[dmac]

gggggggggggggggggggggggggggyff

My parents just cut the cord. I was going to get SlingTV, but they didn't accept prepaid debit cards for some reason, so I went with someone who did: Hulu Plus Live TV. For their local favorites Hulu didn't cover, I've purchased them an amplified omni-directional antenna. I wanted an outdoor but it's an apartment. Still, between this and Hulu, their TV needs are covered, and for 1/3 the price.

Yeah! stick it to the cable Man!
I rarely get TV time but still there are times I require an escape to some other galaxy with a different set of social issues

 

[Csalem]

Post on Axanar abut the studio fundraising:
https://axanarproductions.com/ares-studio-launches-patreon-fundraiser/

 

[RedForman]

LOL at the people making this about politics or 'good Trek' vs 'bad Trek'........you're all playing right into LFIM's hands.

Considering what we know about him, mainly the fact that he's a slimy, conniving grifter and that Axanar was all merely a front for LFIM to enrich himself (if it wasn't, he would've listened to Christian Gossett and taken some/all of his advice.........), any discussion of tertiary topics or tangents only serves to obscure the truths I just mentioned.

RMB's decision to spill the beans combined with Carlos' continuing coverage should be what takes center stage here.

 

[jespah]

LOL at the people making this about politics or 'good Trek' vs 'bad Trek'........you're all playing right into LFIM's hands.

Considering what we know about him, mainly the fact that he's a slimy, conniving grifter and that Axanar was all merely a front for LFIM to enrich himself (if it wasn't, he would've listened to Christian Gossett and taken some/all of his advice.........), any discussion of tertiary topics or tangents only serves to obscure the truths I just mentioned.

RMB's decision to spill the beans combined with Carlos' continuing coverage should be what takes center stage here.

True, though I figure tangents are inevitable in any long thread, particularly one which is measured in years.

But yeah, the bickering about styles of Trek, paying for it, etc.? That's a part of what's being exploited here. People's preferences are being monetized by folks who don't have the rights to do so.