Well, he became as bright as a star for a moment there when he went all kablooey. That's a bit of a miracle!
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"
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Well, he became as bright as a star for a moment there when he went all kablooey. That's a bit of a miracle!
I think he'd be of the type to appreciate a New Orleans Bash in his honor every year.i hope he wasn't catholic and we need to hold an annual requiem for him
He may have caused Airiam to transform into Nilsson while causing someone else to transform into Airiam, too. I'm sure that was all Connolly's doing, bless him.
I'd say the fact that he even managed to stay alive for that long is already a miracle in itself.
i had to look thatone upI think he'd be of the type to appreciate a New Orleans Bash in his honor every year.
Hey guys! I'm back after a week of! So here is my very belated review of this episode:
Which, coincidentally, also can be described as: Trek is back!!
Summary.
This episode was a great watch. Absolutely. Now, the primary plot of this episode - "main crew finds humans who have been abducted in the past" is a plot that could have (and has!) been on almost every other Trek show. What made this episode so worthwhile was HOW that story was told! And that was in the absolute, most Trek-ish way possible. And I loved it. My only criticism might be, that the A-plot (Pike, Burnham and Owosekun on the planet) and the B-plot (save the colony from the ship) weren't really connected - they didn't really affect each other, and frankly, the B-plot had the larger stakes. But I don't care - this was a blast to watch.
What I liked:
Of course the obvious improvement comes from Captain Pike: I absolutely adore Anson Mount in this role! He's pitch perfect. He's calm, thoughtfull, but also swings to action when needed, a thinking man of action. He's listening to the opinions of his crew, but also makes sure they follow his command. I really wish he would stay around for more than this one season...
But that's not all: The plot itself of the episode made it possible in the first place! Again after last wekk, DIS did something I have dearly missed since the early 2000's: A Star Trek plot without a badguy. Without battles or fights (only one accidental phaser shot), but still having tons of drama, conflict, action, character. Keep that shit up! That's what makes IMO Star Trek so unique, and why I loved it so much! Plots are infinitely more exciting, when there's not a clear badguy, and you understand all the characters motivations in the central conflict.
The crew also much, much better worked as a team, than a simple one-(wo)man show. Burnham coming down on the logic and "hard science" side, and Pike on the compassion and acceptance of their small religion Pike contrast nicely - and they don't fight, they argue, and complement each other, which is even better. Saru is one of the most interesting Trek aliens, it's great to see him not just as a fear-ball, but see how his completely different perspective can yield completely positive results as well.
Other things I liked:
This episode actually had nothing that I disliked! So these are only minor nitpicks I picked up while watching:
Other observations:
8/10
All of this comes really not so much from the plot itself, but how all the characters behaved. How they main ensemble interacted, and the character dynamics. Had the main plot be a bit more interesting (say, a first contact scenario, or another SF-high-concept explored more thoroughly), this could have easily been a 9 or 10.
Which, coincidentally, also can be described as: Trek is back!!
Summary.
This episode was a great watch. Absolutely. Now, the primary plot of this episode - "main crew finds humans who have been abducted in the past" is a plot that could have (and has!) been on almost every other Trek show. What made this episode so worthwhile was HOW that story was told! And that was in the absolute, most Trek-ish way possible. And I loved it. My only criticism might be, that the A-plot (Pike, Burnham and Owosekun on the planet) and the B-plot (save the colony from the ship) weren't really connected - they didn't really affect each other, and frankly, the B-plot had the larger stakes. But I don't care - this was a blast to watch.
What I liked:
Of course the obvious improvement comes from Captain Pike: I absolutely adore Anson Mount in this role! He's pitch perfect. He's calm, thoughtfull, but also swings to action when needed, a thinking man of action. He's listening to the opinions of his crew, but also makes sure they follow his command. I really wish he would stay around for more than this one season...
But that's not all: The plot itself of the episode made it possible in the first place! Again after last wekk, DIS did something I have dearly missed since the early 2000's: A Star Trek plot without a badguy. Without battles or fights (only one accidental phaser shot), but still having tons of drama, conflict, action, character. Keep that shit up! That's what makes IMO Star Trek so unique, and why I loved it so much! Plots are infinitely more exciting, when there's not a clear badguy, and you understand all the characters motivations in the central conflict.
The crew also much, much better worked as a team, than a simple one-(wo)man show. Burnham coming down on the logic and "hard science" side, and Pike on the compassion and acceptance of their small religion Pike contrast nicely - and they don't fight, they argue, and complement each other, which is even better. Saru is one of the most interesting Trek aliens, it's great to see him not just as a fear-ball, but see how his completely different perspective can yield completely positive results as well.
Other things I liked:
- Saru got to shine! He makes a very unique but efficient commander in his own way. Reminded me of Spock in "Galileo seven"
- The non-issue of starting the spore-drive again: Yes, it was "forbidden". But it would be stupid to not use such a great tactical advantage when needed. But that also puts the writers in a bind to creatively abolish even the possibility of using it later during VOY and DS9
- Tilly science-ing was amazing! Yes, it as dumb comic book science. But that's Star Trek - soft SF. What was important was the palpable enthusiasm, the cool gadgets, and the right "science-y" attittude. That was delivered in spades!
- Amazing vfx and production design - I love the new ready room! I think all the DIS-sets are a bit too big to be realistic - but I love that they now have a place for ready room discussions again
- Pike: "My ribs still hurt, don't make me laugh" -Burnham: "Fortunately I was raised on Vulcan, we don't do funny" -Pike: "laughs" -hurts
This episode actually had nothing that I disliked! So these are only minor nitpicks I picked up while watching:
- The science of saving the planet was bogus: They used the gravitational field of the asteroid to pull the dangerous asteroids away. But the DIS was able to have the asteroid float(!) in it's hangar bay! That means the ship itself could have easily created the exact same gravitational field to pull the other asteroids away! But the episode was in need of an action sequence...
- I don't really agree with Pike's interpretation of the prime directive here: This was not a natural civilisation. Only a few thousand people being stranded. They lack the infrastructure to keep a 21th century society (which they are) alive - sooner or later they would either degrade back to an early stone-age/iron-age society. They should have been picked up. OTOH it was the right decision to not do this immediately - I think this should have been relegated to Starfleet to decide how and when to re-integrate them back into human society later down the line.
Other observations:
- We learned almost nothing of the New Eden colony: The black science guy and the preacher were the only speaking roles. It would have been good for the plot to delve a little bit deeper into that. But the main characters were so entertaining, I didn't even really noticed.
- We still didn't learn anything new about the red angles: They picked some humans up, now they gave already two red bursts at positions where other humans needed help. Are they human-focused? Do they lead the members of their own species to help themselves?
- The first time we saw windows on the set that aren't the tooth-windows from the inside - but they still don't match the completel rectancular windows from the outside
- I like snarky Stamets much more than dazzled believer-Stamets
- Pike: "A Tardigrade?" -Saru: "I guess you had to be there...". Also Pike: "If you're telling me this ship can cross the universe on a highway of mushrooms, I kinda' have to go on faith." Love the shades thrown at the season 1 concepts!
8/10
All of this comes really not so much from the plot itself, but how all the characters behaved. How they main ensemble interacted, and the character dynamics. Had the main plot be a bit more interesting (say, a first contact scenario, or another SF-high-concept explored more thoroughly), this could have easily been a 9 or 10.
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Hey guys! I'm back after a week of! So here is my very belated review of this episode:
Which, coincidentally, also can be described as: Trek is back!!
Summary.
This episode was a great watch. Absolutely. Now, the primary plot of this episode - "main crew finds humans who have been abducted in the past" is a plot that could have (and has!) been on almost every other Trek show. What made this episode so worthwhile was HOW that story was told! And that was in the absolute, most Trek-ish way possible. And I loved it. My only criticism might be, that the A-plot (Pike, Burnham and Owosekun on the planet) and the B-plot (save the colony from the ship) weren't really connected - they didn't really affect each other, in frankly, the B-plot had the larger stakes. But I don't care - this was a blast to watch.
What I liked:
Of course the obvious improvement comes from Captain Pike: I absolutely adore Anson Mount in this role! He's pitch perfect. He's calm, thoughtfull, but also swings to action when needed, a thinking man of action. He's listening to the opinions of his crew, but also makes sure they follow his command. I really wish he would stay around for more than this one season...
But that's not all: The plot itself of the episode made it possible in the first place! Again after last wekk, DIS did something I have dearly missed since the early 2000's: A Star Trek plot without a badguy. Without battles or fights (only one accidental phaser shot), but still having tons of drama, conflict, action, character. Keep that shit up! That's what makes IMO Star Trek so unique, and why I loved it so much! Plots are infinitely more exciting, when there's not a clear badguy, and you understand all the characters motivations in the central conflict.
The crew also much, much better worked as a team, than a simple one-(wo)man show. The cold logic of Burnham and compassion of Pike contrast nicely - and they don't fight, they argue, and complement each other, which is even better. Saru is one of the most interesting Trek aliens, it's great to see him not just as a fear-ball, but see how his completely different perspective can yield completely positive results as well.
Other things I liked:
Mild criticisms:
- Saru got to shine! He makes a very unique but efficient commander in his own way. Reminded me of Spock in "Galileo seven"
- The non-issue of starting the spore-drive again: Yes, it was "forbidden". But it would be stupid to not use such a great tactical advantage when needed. But that also puts the writers in a bind to creatively abolish even the possibility of using it later during VOY and DS9
- Tilly science-ing was amazing! Yes, it as dumb comic book science. But that's Star Trek - soft SF. What was important was the palpable enthusiasm, the cool gadgets, and the right "science-y" attittude. That was delivered in spades!
- Amazing vfx and production design - I love the new ready room! I think all the DIS-sets are a bit too big to be realistic - but I love that they now have a place for ready room discussions again
- Pike: "My ribs still hurt, don't make me laugh" -Burnham: "Fortunately I was raised on Vulcan, we don't do funny" -Pike: "laughs" -hurts
This episode actually had nothing that I disliked! So these are only minor nitpicks I picked up while watching:
- The science of saving the planet was bogus: They used the gravitational field of the asteroid to pull the dangerous asteroids away. But the DIS was able to have the asteroid float(!) in it's hangar bay! That means the ship itself could have easily created the exact same gravitational field to pull the other asteroids away! But the episode was in need of an action sequence...
- I don't really agree with Pike's interpretation of the prime directive here: This was not a natural civilisation. Only a few thousand people being stranded. They lack the infrastructure to keep a 21th century society (which they are) alive - sooner or later they would either degrade back to an early stone-age/iron-age society. They should have been picked up. OTOH it was the right decision to not do this immediately - I think this should have been relegated to Starfleet to decide how and when to re-integrate them back into human society later down the line.
Other observations:
Overall, a really, really fine episode. I'd rank it a:
- We learned almost nothing of the New Eden colony: The black science guy and the preacher were the only speaking roles. It would have been good for the plot to delve a little bit deeper into that. But the main characters were so entertaining, I didn't even really noticed.
- We still didn't learn anything new about the red angles: They picked some humans up, now they gave already two red bursts at positions where other humans needed help. Are they human-focused? Do they lead the members of their own species to help themselves?
- The first time we saw windows on the set that aren't the tooth-windows from the inside - but they still don't match the completel rectancular windows from the outside
- I like snarky Stamets much more than dazzled believer-Stamets
- Pike: "A Tardigrade?" -Saru: "I guess you had to be there...". Also Pike: "If you're telling me this ship can cross the universe on a highway of mushrooms, I kinda' have to go on faith." Love the shades thrown at the season 1 concepts!
8/10
All of this comes really not so much from the plot itself, but how all the characters behaved. How they main ensemble interacted, and the character dynamics. Had the main plot be a bit more interesting (say, a first contact scenario, or another SF-high-concept), this could have easily been a 9 or 10.
I'd have to disagree on one point - Burnham's "cold logic". Nothing she did in this episode was based on logic, but on emotion. She made an argument for rationality and science ahead of religion, yes, but that was down to her own emotional reaction to humans choosing superstition. I'll freely acknowledge that I will come down on the science side of science vs faith every time, but then I'm Jacob, not Burnham, and some religious beliefs cause immense harm. If Burnham were acting logically, she'd be lockstep BEHIND the Prime Directive (in fact I'm betting Vulcans had a hand in crafting it, given their "training wheels" attitude to humanity in Archer's era).
Errrrr... Yes. You're completely right! Mind if I change that in my original post? It wasn' really "logic", as hitting hard on the science side in the "science vs. faith"-angle. One which I agreed in this case - as I wrote, I think the humans should be "rescued" later on (ar at least everyone there to get the choice to come back to Earth or continue to live there on the colony). But yeah, Burnham wasn't really the arbiter of "logic" in this episode.
- Yeah, I actually noted that too when watching the episode, but it was so mild case of 'bogus science' on the scale of this series that I din't bother to mention it here.
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Owosekun, "I've got faith"
Bryce "I've got.. I've got..I've got"
Detmer, "I've got faith..."
Airiam -buzzing hummed guitar solo
Saru and Burnham together "Faith of the heart"
Pike: "I want back on my ship, immediately"
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That theme always makes me cringe.
They didn't use the Discovery itself to hold the asteroid in the bay.
They used a fancy-schmancy, Treckno-do-dad, Gravity Device to hold it.
But still, they had to line the Discovery up just right to catch the thing in the bay to begin with and apparently couldn't use the Tractor-beam at that point to do it because of it's Heavy Gravity.
But then they could use the TB to pull it around the planet.
GO figure.
Please. Pike strikes me as someone who would jump in to a karaoke session without hesitation.
Also, that's a good song to sing along with.
I really liked S1, but I can tell already that I'm going to love S2 and I think I've already watched the this episode and the first one, three or four times already.
I'm loving Anson Mount as Captain Pike. I loved him in Hell on Wheels, and I didn't realise until after the episode that it was him. And I'm looking forward to seeing more of him as Pike. I'm also looking forward to seeing Spock as well.
This season looks like it's going to be awesome.
I'm loving Anson Mount as Captain Pike. I loved him in Hell on Wheels, and I didn't realise until after the episode that it was him. And I'm looking forward to seeing more of him as Pike. I'm also looking forward to seeing Spock as well.
This season looks like it's going to be awesome.
Faith of the Heart is just aching to be re-arranged like that.
Tangentially related:
Because he was an asshole, silly! Of course he was straight. Didn’t you get the memo on that?How do we even know Connolly was straight, anyway? Did I miss something?
-MMoM
why do we even discuss that connolly stuff here?
it happened in the first episode - with the guy dead he has no bearing whatsoever to the second episode (discussed here) anyway
And the stupid ass connolly has his own freaking threads too in this forum.
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