Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[DaveyNY]

He did go from a Vulcan princess to a human schoolteacher so that can't have been easy for his family to accept. Sybok may have been a rebellious traitor to Vulcan beliefs but at least he was Vulcan.

I don't really think "traitor" fits though, he was more like a logic rejecting zealot.
He had no intention of hurting anybody or causing physical damage, he just wanted folks to essentially "see the light" and follow him to a place of emotional salvation.
(even though he couldn't see that it was a pipe dream)

 

[cooleddie74]

Eh, some Vulcans are pretty fanatical about the whole conformity thing. I wouldn't be surprised if some thought along those lines.

 

[Longinus]

The character was barely onscreen for five minutes and his biggest claims to fame before being turned into asteroid pizza were being an asshole and getting sneezed on. Where is all this angst coming from? He was written to be the designated disposable doofus who pays the price for their hubris. It's a pretty standard trope, exhibited by the aforementioned Landry last season.

Yes, exactly , it is a standard trope. How it is so hard to get that some people do not like that trope? And yes, Landry's death was similar and I didn’t like that either. Though at least that was depicted as more harrowing, so the joke aspect really wasn't there.

I find intentionally creating dislikeable characters only to elict shafenfraude in the viewers when they suffer a messy end is distasteful, at least in Star Trek which should try to do better than play on such negative base instincts of the audience.

Such thing is absolutely fine, even awesome, in a black comedy, but I don't think Star Trek should be a black comedy.

And of course absolutely none of this has anything to do with the skin colour or assumed sexuality of the victim.

 

[DaveyNY]

Eh, some Vulcans are pretty fanatical about the whole conformity thing. I wouldn't be surprised if some thought along those lines.

OH there's not doubt that there are Vulcans that radical, as seen in the idiot that tried to kill Sarek by blowing himself up.
But Personally, I don't believe that Sybok had that kind of mindset.
Also, Sybok had that unusual psychic talent of being able to convert folks to his way of thinking without violence.
I wonder if his mother was called a "Priestess" because she also had some sort of innate mental capabilities not usually found in Vulcans and she passed on to her son.
I could also see that being some kind of large issue for Sarek (and Vulcan Society on the whole), if perhaps it is something that is not supposed to, or at the least very rarely happen.
Sybok may be an extremely rare aberration and something like that would reverberate through the Family for generations.

 

[Kor]

Eh, some Vulcans are pretty fanatical about the whole conformity thing. I wouldn't be surprised if some thought along those lines.

Cue the bomb-happy "logic extremists" from STDisco S1. I wonder if we will hear from them again.

Kor

 

[Noname Given]

So far there's still nothing to indicate why Sarek disapproves of Spock's decision to join Starfleet (which was given as reason for their rift in Journey to Babel).

^^^
Actually, they covered that in Seaon One. Basically, the Vulcan Science Academy, didn't approve of EITHER Burnham (a Human child raised in Vulcan society and doing her best to fit in - AND - who PASSED there entrance exam and did better than some Vulcans); or Spock (because of his half-human heritage); so they told him they'd take ONE of Sarek's children only. Thus he LIED to Burnham (making her believe she'd failed the entrance exam); so he would keep the spot open for Spock when he came of age...but in the end Spiock chose to join Starfleet instead.

 

[cooleddie74]

And how the Vulcans wanted to treat mind-melders and T'Pol after they learned of their activities, a behavior that at that point in their history was treated as an abberation and prohibited under law. Deviation from the norm was not tolerated in Vulcan society with those seen as deviants being ostracized or punished under the law or both.

 

[Noname Given]

And how the Vulcans wanted to treat mind-melders and T'Pol after they learned of their activities, a behavior that at that point in their history was treated as an abberation and prohibited under law. Deviation from the norm was not tolerated in Vulcan society with those seen as deviants being ostracized or punished under the law or both.

Hell, look how T'Pring and Stonn treated Spock in TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel"; or how Sarek LIED to his wife in TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel".

The idea that many fans have that Vulcans are somehow 'more enlightened' or more tolerant of others/outsiders just because they're usually logical and not emotional has always escaped me. I know that's how the TNG era often portrayed them, but then again, TNG tired to retcon A LOT of things very well established in TOS. The only other Franchise series to do the Vulcans as they had been portrayed in TOS was ENT.

 

[Tuskin38]

or how Sarek LIED to his wife in TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel".

And than lied to his other wife in TNG

 

[cooleddie74]

DS9 Vulcans did tend to behave more like their ENT and TOS predecessors.

 

[DaveyNY]

Cue the bomb-happy "logic extremists" from STDisco S1. I wonder if we will hear from them again.

Kor

There were also similar types in ENTERPRISE.

 

[XCV330]

Hell, look how T'Pring and Stonn treated Spock in TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel"; or how Sarek LIED to his wife in TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel".

The idea that many fans have that Vulcans are somehow 'more enlightened' or more tolerant of others/outsiders just because they're usually logical and not emotional has always escaped me. I know that's how the TNG era often portrayed them, but then again, TNG tired to retcon A LOT of things very well established in TOS. The only other Franchise series to do the Vulcans as they had been portrayed in TOS was ENT.

In fairness GR seemed more or less done with Vulcans with TNG and seemed to do his best to avoid them for awhile until he died, and even after that, there wasn't a regular Vulcan character until VOY, snarky baseball obsessed Vulcans notwithstanding

 

[oberth]

why do we even discuss that connolly stuff here?

it happened in the first episode - with the guy dead he has no bearing whatsoever to the second episode (discussed here) anyway

 

[Gonzo]

why do we even discuss that connolly stuff here?

it happened in the first episode - with the guy dead he has no bearing whatsoever to the second episode (discussed here) anyway

Some can't stop picking at it as per usual.

 

[DaveyNY]

Cause the new episode doesn't come out till tomorrow night and we's got nuttin better to do?

<snicker>

 

[XCV330]

Can we all just pause now and have our weekly moment of silence for Connolly?

 

[DaveyNY]

Can we all just pause now and have our weekly moment of silence for Connolly?

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[Hythlodeus]

*builds a Connolly memorial in STO*

 

[oberth]

Can we all just pause now and have our weekly moment of silence for Connolly?

i hope he wasn't catholic and we need to hold an annual requiem for him

 

[XCV330]

i hope he wasn't catholic and we need to hold an annual requiem for him

I hear the Vatican is looking into beautifying him. If anyone has any Connolly related miracles to report, now is the time. We're talking real Canon here, people