I agree somewhat, but there is still an ‘interesting mess’ going on, with Spock, the Red Angel, etc. It’s a stand alone story and a part of an ongoing arc as well.. for me a perfect choice
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"
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Which was an unnecessary evil and cruel thing to do. Now Jacob is blessed with knowledge, alone, in the middle of a group that will reject said knowledge in favour of a cobbled together, non-sensical myth.
Jacob will be tortured by said knowledge for the rest of his life.
Did you ever have discussions with religious relatives during, idk, Christmas, Thanksgiving or funerals. Do you remember the headache one gets when talking longer than 5 minutes about subjects they deny because their interpretation of a 2000 year old fantasy novel told them to? That's what Jacob has to endure from now on every day until his death.
About the planet Terralysium itself:
1) I take it the names means “diffused of Earth”, referring to how the First Rescued mixed their religious belief into the New Eden cocktail?
2) Rings that orbit a planet but not all around the axis. Is that possible in real life, or only with Trek physics? I remember wondering about such a ring system as wee bairn.
1) I take it the names means “diffused of Earth”, referring to how the First Rescued mixed their religious belief into the New Eden cocktail?
2) Rings that orbit a planet but not all around the axis. Is that possible in real life, or only with Trek physics? I remember wondering about such a ring system as wee bairn.
Regarding Beta quadrant, I see people saying Federation (and maybe Klingons and Romulans) are partly or mostly in Beta quadrant. But during the Dominion war all the talk was about Federation, Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians being in the Alpha quadrant.
Is this Beta quadrant thing something that has been mentioned on screen, or is it from some obscure map that was briefly shown and then later dissected by the fans? Like this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnKdUPJh35j/?utm_source=ig_embed
Is this Beta quadrant thing something that has been mentioned on screen, or is it from some obscure map that was briefly shown and then later dissected by the fans? Like this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnKdUPJh35j/?utm_source=ig_embed
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The Federation is split in two with half in alpha and half in beta with SOL as the dividing line, Vulcan and Andoria are beta, Trill and Betazed are Alpha.
Klingon and Romulan empires are mostly Beta spilling over slightly into the Alpha (to the right of SOL), Cardassia is Alpha only (to the left of SOL).
Most of the war was fought on the Cardassian side of the Alpha quadrant as that is where the Dominion were dug in, this is why the Romulans had to be lured into the war as they were far away from it in the Beta Quadrant and didn't care, the Breen and Ferengi are Alpha quadrant as well.
The defeat of the Dominion enables the Klingons to take control of Breen and that gave them a valuable foothold on the left side of the Alpha quadrant.
In the new Picard show timeline the centre of the Romulan territory will have been wiped out by the supernova, shame the exact location of the Hoban star isn't shown on the maps.
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Could you tone down the rhetoric a little please? I get that you don't like religion, but you can phrase that in a more respectful way.
If you forced it artificially somehow it might persist for a time, but it would be relatively unstable. The rings would have to be different diameters too in order to avoid colliding. Planets aren't perfect spheres so their gravitational fields aren't uniform - this creates a preference for the equatorial ring systems we are used to seeing, but that wouldn't prevent something else existing.
I really enjoyed this episode. I think it was a fun episode. I like the idea that some other being set the whole process in motion that basically saved this planet. I wish we would see some more of the other characters though this season. I want an episode about Airiam (sp?).
I doubt they will see this, but I just wanna take a moment to thank the writers and producers of DSC season two for taking onboard criticisms of the show, and presenting two episodes which have been very Star-Trek-like in spirit and philosophy. The Federation again looks like a progressive society that the likes of Tom Paine would dream, and the preservation of innocent life is held inviolable.
From being disenchanted with season one, I have found for the last two weeks that there is now new Star Trek on television that I await with great anticipation again. I look forward to Fridays, something I haven't felt for a show in years. Please keep up the good work. The cast of Discovery are getting the likeable treatment that they didn't receive in season one; Detmer, Owosekun, etc, are being treated as part of a family, and as skilled landing party members just like Chekov and Sulu in TOS. Captain Pike is a joy to watch, I would now love to see a show featuring him, Number One and Spock onboard the Enterprise.
I was worried when in press statements they said this season would focus on faith vs science, or something to that effect. Literary faith, in the sense of the Greek pistos 'trusting in something', is different from the reductive blind faith presented by extremists, and can be shared by secular forms of philosophy, which have arrived at it through reason (say, trust that democracy is more compassionate and wise form of government than any other). Non-believers or atheists, despite having existed as long as humanity, can still face discriminatory stereotypes even in educated liberal countries, and their huge spectrum of personal beliefs are often misrepresented in the media. I was genuinely worried I would see a show created by a noted humanist/atheist turn into one hostile or contemptuous of academic western philosophy or irreligion. I need not have worried. Every character has been treated with respect.
Star Trek is a product of the enlightenment, an era when humanity reasoned that just because an injustice has happened often, does not mean that it always has to. The founders of the first modern democracies may not have been perfect, but they reasoned that there was no justification for why a monarch should be any more above the law than any other human being. It happened. They set up imperfect institutions through which people could seek greater and greater universal rights. In happened. Star Trek is a show about a society that has continued to take reason as it's guiding star, a philosophical thought experiment in what rights and responsibilities our reason might reap.
From being disenchanted with season one, I have found for the last two weeks that there is now new Star Trek on television that I await with great anticipation again. I look forward to Fridays, something I haven't felt for a show in years. Please keep up the good work. The cast of Discovery are getting the likeable treatment that they didn't receive in season one; Detmer, Owosekun, etc, are being treated as part of a family, and as skilled landing party members just like Chekov and Sulu in TOS. Captain Pike is a joy to watch, I would now love to see a show featuring him, Number One and Spock onboard the Enterprise.
I was worried when in press statements they said this season would focus on faith vs science, or something to that effect. Literary faith, in the sense of the Greek pistos 'trusting in something', is different from the reductive blind faith presented by extremists, and can be shared by secular forms of philosophy, which have arrived at it through reason (say, trust that democracy is more compassionate and wise form of government than any other). Non-believers or atheists, despite having existed as long as humanity, can still face discriminatory stereotypes even in educated liberal countries, and their huge spectrum of personal beliefs are often misrepresented in the media. I was genuinely worried I would see a show created by a noted humanist/atheist turn into one hostile or contemptuous of academic western philosophy or irreligion. I need not have worried. Every character has been treated with respect.
Star Trek is a product of the enlightenment, an era when humanity reasoned that just because an injustice has happened often, does not mean that it always has to. The founders of the first modern democracies may not have been perfect, but they reasoned that there was no justification for why a monarch should be any more above the law than any other human being. It happened. They set up imperfect institutions through which people could seek greater and greater universal rights. In happened. Star Trek is a show about a society that has continued to take reason as it's guiding star, a philosophical thought experiment in what rights and responsibilities our reason might reap.
I’ve always been a fan more of General Order 24 than General Order 1. I really want to see that order in affect one day. The Jack Bauer Order I like to think.
Now that's just a Damn Scary Idea.
I do find it interesting that both times they've followed the signals they've lead to people that need to be saved, first Reno on the asteroid, on now the people on New Eden. It definitely seems like the Red Angel is actually a good guy, but the trailer for the season talks about a threat to all life in the galaxy, so I wonder if this means that the Red Angel is leading them to that threat instead of actually being that threat.
the Red Angel, I believe, is actually a Red Herring for the Season Arc
they constituted their own civilization. it doesn't matter how they got there. They missed the warp ship wagon by a hand full of years. Pike followed the rules. What should he have done? given them the tools to mass warfare and then left again with no reasonable means for anyone to check thieir progress again for possibly a century? Seems like this is a case where the prime directive made sense.
They've got at least as much character development on them now, as Mayweather. I want to know more about these Luddites.
I’ve always been a fan more of General Order 24 than General Order 1. I really want to see that order in affect one day. The Jack Bauer Order I like to think.
He should have tell them the truth and let them make an informed choice of what they wanted. I am sure many would have liked to return to Earth. Their whole civilisation was based an alien meddling in the first place.
That would be an interesting take. I'm certainly intrigued with the whole thing.
I also loved how much 'New Eden' felt like traditional Star Trek story. I just couldn't be helped but swept up into it all.
I think you missed the part where I LUV making picture posts, more than I care about your whereabouts ...
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He explicitly tells Discovery's crew this when he comes onboard in response to Saru saying that the ship had received no notice from Starfleet about a change in command ahead of their arrival in Vulcan.
They would have known who their captain was. Saru wouldn’t have been surprised by Starfleets orders.
I suggest you rewatch the episode.
There is nothing that implies that Pike was the captain they were suppose to meet at Vulcan.
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