Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[TheSeeker]

Personally, I love hearing the familiar sounds from past Trek shows. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

 

[SAndrews10]

To someone who speculated earlier in the thread about Discovery not lasting, we know the ship itself is still alive and kicking 1000 years later thanks to Short Trek's

 

[Gonzo]

To someone who speculated earlier in the thread about Discovery not lasting, we know the ship itself is still alive and kicking 1000 years later thanks to Short Trek's

Oh really, I haven't watched the short treks, it must be put out of reach then in some way or it would mess with the continuity.

 

[Campe]

To someone who speculated earlier in the thread about Discovery not lasting, we know the ship itself is still alive and kicking 1000 years later thanks to Short Trek's

I'll be very interested to see how the ship gets to that point. A duplicate Disco? Time travel? The ship needs to be abandoned? That one definitely left some interesting questions.

 

[JD]

Wow, that was another great episode. I think this is the one episode that really felt like the kind of episode you could have seen on one of the older shows, and that is a good thing in my book.
I love that they are starting to give more screen time to Owosekun and Detmer. We even got a little bit of backstory for them thanks to the comments about Owosekun being born in a Luddite commune, and Detmer getting her pilot's license at 12. So was she a prodigy or are there just no age limits on licenses in the 23rd Century?
Was Tilly's friend a manifestation of the Red Angel?
Anyone else wondering if the Red Angel might be a Preserver?

 

[Hythlodeus]

I hate to throw something controversial out there...it's really not my style...but isn't this kind of like saying "Gene felt that there would be no gender identity anomalies by the 23rd century" or "Gene felt that any sense of unique Asian culture would be gone by the 23rd century?"

I mean...wtf sometimes? Let's just discount something that ~80% of the world's population believes in or derives value from in some way

wait, are you equating the choice of people to believe in made up fairy tale imaginary friends with gender identities?

 

[Amaris]

Best episode of the series. This is what I wanted to see. No more oppressive war, no murders or backstabs in almost every episode, just straight on exploration, and a juicy mystery with interesting characters, and a hell of a lot of potential.

Best Stuff:

*Yeah, you know where this one is going: Tilly once again shows how awesome she is, and I love it. I don't want Mary Wiseman to dial it back by a single jot. She's fine as she is, and she brings a strong sense of levity and optimism to the atmosphere of this series. Keep on keeping on. Oh, and her friend who wasn't really there. I love that because for me there's this undercurrent that Tilly dreamed her, because she never questions how her friend she hadn't seen in years and had never seen prior on the ship, had appeared there. How often, in dreams, do we just believe what is really is because it's there? I think she was in a form of dream state. From what, not sure, maybe the spores? Maybe the dark matter asteroid? Who knows?

*Pike's handling of the pre-warp culture humans. I strongly dislike how the Prime Directive was used in TNG (as much as I enjoy the series), and was worried we'd be treading over that same ground again. What we got was Pike making a balanced, reasonable decision on how far he could go. Well done!

*Detmer and Owosekun. We're learning more about them, and I'm loving what I'm learning.

*Saru is going to make a damned fine Captain. ♥

* Wicca represent!

* This whole mystery surrounding the Red Angel, the mixture of science and spirituality, this is the kind of stuff I want to see in my science fiction, and especially Star Trek, and I'm seeing it.

I gave this episode a Genuine 9. Very well done, felt like an episode of TOS, and I can't think of any higher praise than that.

 

[Gonzo]

Wow, that was another great episode. I think this is the one episode that really felt like the kind of episode you could have seen on one of the older shows, and that is a good thing in my book.
I love that they are starting to give more screen time to Owosekun and Detmer. We even got a little bit of backstory for them thanks to the comments about Owosekun being born in a Luddite commune, and Detmer getting her pilot's license at 12. So was she a prodigy or are there just no age limits on licenses in the 23rd Century?
Was Tilly's friend a manifestation of the Red Angel?
Anyone else wondering if the Red Angel might be a Preserver?

I liked the Shatnerverse book series and I own them all but I would be very surprised if they take the Preserver route, at least I doubt it at this point, First Federation could be an option though in future once we have more information.

The biggest issue would be copyright issues as the only time the First Federation has ever been referenced in the canon TV shows is Balok/Fesarius in ToS but at least it has been shown, I think the Preservers are a creation purely for the book series.

It could be like the Mycelial itself is trying to help them, it's too early to tell.

 

[DaveyNY]

Tilly's notes on Michael's console are a delight. Among other things, there's a to-do list with items such as "Get deodorant" and "Reply to Airiam," a message from Michael that reads, "Tilly - Congratulations on beating your personal best on the CTP race you'll have to do even better next time," and a whole bunch of notes. The notes include musings on whether Morse code can be used at warp.

Some others:

• Make a list of my favorite plays
• Read favorite plays
• Organize movie night with crew
• Subspace mom
• Exhibit stoic behavior while speaking to...
• Get area rug for our room.
• To thine own self be true, be light to other...
• I hope and dream of a new galactic peace
• Research Starfleet's favorite opera
• Make bed and organize laundry
• Be more self aware
• Know that I am allowed to be happy, practice understanding my nervous energy
• Do not forget to practice my standing posture
• Schedule weekly jog
• Return Mom's last 5 messages
• Do a least one or more thing(s) for my health and myself, each day
• I should practice peaceful behavior, that way I can read people better
• Can anyone hear you scream in the Mycelial Network?

SUBSPACE MOM -
I like how that could be interpreted in two ways and be the opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[Kor]

I haven't had a chance to watch the ep yet. Hopefully this weekend.

Kor

 

[Greg Cox]

Where was this ever stated?

I remember I was taken aback when "Encounter at Farpoint" established a nuclear war in Star Trek's past. I'm not sure they ever said it outright, but my impression from TOS had always been that STAR TREK was the future where we didn't blow ourselves up. Heck, Gary Seven's entire mission in "Assignment: Earth" was to see that we somehow survived the twentieth century without destroying ourselves . . ...

 

[Lord Garth]

I remember I was taken aback when "Encounter at Farpoint" established a nuclear war in Star Trek's past. I'm not sure they ever said it outright, but my impression from TOS had always been that STAR TREK was the future where we didn't blow ourselves up. Heck, Gary Seven's entire mission in "Assignment: Earth" was to see that we somehow survived the twentieth century without destroying ourselves . . ...

There's no better way to build the 24th Century up than to knock down the 20th and 21st Centuries as hard as you can, I guess. It's a bit of a paradox in Gene's mentality at the time. We have to survive (and not go extinct) in order for Picard's society to exist. But that explains why Zephram Cochrane's ship was called the Phoenix.

 

[Xerxus]

Post Atomic Horror from Farpoint kind of implies nukes were used. It's how Enterprise ties in Colonel Greene overzealously purging people with mutations.

 

[johnjm22]

I liked the end scene with Pike and Jacob.

I wish this show would slow down, focus on a few compelling story elements, and flesh them out.

Each episode of STD scratches the surface on a bunch of different story threads but never focuses on any one of them enough.

I know some of you guys like Tilly and Burnham, but I think shoehorning them into every episode handicaps the show. It takes time away from other characters and story ideas.

This episode needed more Owosekun/Pike/Jacob and less Tilly/Burnham.

 

[DaveyNY]

Great episode.
Gave it an 8.

LUV Tilly,
"...can I have more (of her) please?"

And from the post above...

"I know some of you guys like Tilly and Burnham, but I think shoehorning them into every episode handicaps the show. It takes time away from other characters and story ideas."

You seem to have forgotten that Michael Burnham is THE MAIN CHARACTER of the show.
But I'm here to remind you.

 

[XCV330]

There's no better way to build the 24th Century up than to knock down the 20th and 21st Centuries as hard as you can, I guess. It's a bit of a paradox in Gene's mentality at the time. We have to survive (and not go extinct) in order for Picard's society to exist. But that explains why Zephram Cochrane's ship was called the Phoenix.

Gene and Asimov would have agreed on it, I think. I wonder if they discussed much, ever.

Humanity has always excelled (or failed) when put into extreme crisis moments that cause it to rethink key matters relatiing to its survival either on personal, regional or even species reasons. Otherwise it just reaches a comfort level and plateaus until forced again into crisis. I'm not going to start quoting Guns Germs and Steel because I don't agree with every conclusion 100% in that book, and I am not going to quote Toynbee for more issues than I will relate, here, though he is relevant.

Sometimes having enough to succeed and a survival plan that turns into a system of cultural mores isn't enough to pull forward technologically, and that can leave a group or species vulnerable to the next unforseen or forseen but still unaddressed problem.

I don't think the kind of society Gene envisioned for Star Trek could have existed without a catastrophe so horrible that it caused humanity to give up the concept of nation-states and at least backpeddled on organized religion as a major political force. People won't do that just because the economy, ease of communication and a new era of space travel and abundant power makes it convenient. I say this as someone who favors a world federal government, long term. It isn't going to happen just because it's the best thing to do. Sometimes the best ideas are finally taken up because it is the only apparent option and the resistors have been compelled to acquiesce.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...I know some of you guys like Tilly and Burnham, but I think shoehorning them into every episode handicaps the show. It takes time away from other characters and story ideas.

This episode needed more Owosekun/Pike/Jacob and less Tilly/Burnham.

I think Burnham's point of view on faith when she stated "what if my religion is science?" was important for the narrative of this episode, and was a factor in Burnham thinking that these people should have been somehow been told about 23rd century earth and the Federation/brought into the Federation.

The whole idea as to how or if General Order One applies to these people was the crux of the episode, and Burnham's counterpoint argument to Pike's take on the situation was a necessary part of the narrative. The story needed to have both sides of the issue demonstrated to us, which is why Burnham's input was as necessary as Pike's.

I suppose we could have had Pike wrestle this dilemma among himself, but I think it was best that Pike showed no doubts about his decision.

Having said that, I do like Tilly, and I didn't mind the subplot of the approaching doom that would destroy the colony, but I do think that whole subplot could have been paced a little better. Maybe the threat could have been detected earlier, making Tilly's resolution a bit less hurried.

 

[Tuskin38]

I liked the end scene with Pike and Jacob.

I wish this show would slow down, focus on a few compelling story elements, and flesh them out.

Each episode of STD scratches the surface on a bunch of different story threads but never focuses on any one of them enough.

I know some of you guys like Tilly and Burnham, but I think shoehorning them into every episode handicaps the show. It takes time away from other characters and story ideas.

This episode needed more Owosekun/Pike/Jacob and less Tilly/Burnham.

Burnham is the main character.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I'm not sure how Pike's respect for others' belief systems and ability to maintain a fair perspective is equated to "religious fundamentalism ". Care to explain that one? Seems like what Star Trek SHOULD be if it really practices what it preaches, rather than shoving an ideology down people's throats.

I took it as Pike respecting it because it meant something to them and was a valued element of their society. Even if he disagreed, he wouldn’t openly say it because these people probably depended on it. That’s why he gave the guy the power source in the end. It was a trade, but he understood that it would mean something to him and give him hope for a better future.

Pike is a good guy.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Personally, I love hearing the familiar sounds from past Trek shows. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Same! I was like...OH! when I heard the Voyager doorbell. I pointed it out to my roommate, haha.

Also, as for Michael's facial expressions....I love them. She makes great faces. When Pike suggests that she reach out to Spock and she just looks at him like......HAHA WUT? She has a face an animator would love to use as reference, for sure.