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Red Angel Theories- Post Here

You'll get no argument from me, but I've been going on about all the Bible stuff in the show since it started. (Like noting it premiered Sunday, September 24. (The closest Sunday to the 29, St. Micheal's Day.) But nothing has have been a direct connection and not at all meant to be taken literally at all. Yet Micheal's season 1 arc has a lot in common with [his] journey in Milton. And Lorca was a messenger of sorts, passing notes through the power of fortune cookies.

So while I think you might be on to something and the idea of the heralds will probably play a role, I think specifically speaking I think the red things are really just some symbolic callback to the archangels. And they're really just some Star Treknobabbled manifestation of the crew caused by an accident with the shroom vroom, with main characters representing one of the archangels. Micheal and Gabriel are obvious, which is fine because they're the only ones identified by name in the New Testament. (Though this assumes we actually ever see Issacs again.) But we have to infer who the others are supposed to be. Raphael, the healer, is probably Culber. Tilly would be Jophiel who 'leads mankind with the gift of Beauty,' which is almost exactly what Stamets said to her in the episode. Stamets would then be Uriel, who's all about repentance and forgiveness and appreciation for the arts. Also, Uriel and Raphael worked together to defeat a fallen angel in Milton. (Like all that stuff that was going on in Stamets's subconscious at the end of the MU arc.) As far as Barchiel and Selaphiel, I got nothing. I suppose I could argue Barchiel is best represented by Cornwell, but that's a bit of a reach.


And while we're on the Bible kick, I can't help but wonder if we might actually see Pike finally live up to his namesake (Who's since been de-canonized, but whatever.) I mean, I think it's pretty self-evident why Gene (or whoever) choose the name all those years, as the show is a bunch of people traveling in search of the truth in the universe. And I think that's also why, in the TNG era, they always said 'Christopher Pike Medal of Valor' instead of just 'Pike Medal of Honor.' But St. Christopher was, of course, 'He who bears Christ across the river.' I mean, what is space but an anolog for the great river? And there's only one Jesus in Star Trek.
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It's been a single episode, have patience. These things take time.
I have patience but the whole idea never really seemed that interesting to me. I’m kinda getting to my limit with these season spanning stories (this goes for a lot of shows). DS9 did it better IMO. A season(s) long story but broken up with comfy episodes of the week. I’ll still watch, but I won’t post here all that much.
 
Theory: if there IS a conflict between the Angels and themselves or some other "Demon" types, any appearances of Culber this series will actually be Stamets thinking he sees him in the network but in reality one of the Angels feeding him intel/clues. If fact, if this is the case, Culber's appearances in the network last series might have been the Angel ensuring that Discovery made it back from the MU safely, knowing it would need their help in the future.

If the Angels are linked to the network, they also had a vested interest in helping Stamets undo the damage his MU counterpart had done.
 
Burnham saw one of the red angels in the first episode, but it turned out to be Pike coming toward her. The implication was that it was an illusion but there is a scene in one of the trailers where she claims she saw a red angel.
 
I have patience but the whole idea never really seemed that interesting to me. I’m kinda getting to my limit with these season spanning stories (this goes for a lot of shows). DS9 did it better IMO. A season(s) long story but broken up with comfy episodes of the week. I’ll still watch, but I won’t post here all that much.

DS9 had roughly 24 episodes per season to pad out occasionally with comfy stand alone episodes while still advancing the overall arc.

No such luxury here.
 
Burnham saw one of the red angels in the first episode, but it turned out to be Pike coming toward her. The implication was that it was an illusion but there is a scene in one of the trailers where she claims she saw a red angel.
Don't think it was Pike..........Pike just interrupted what she was seeing.......Much like Han arriving while Luke was talking to Ben in ESB.
 
If Red Shirts were good Officers, they become Red Angels. :angel:

Had to get that one out of the way! But for my serious answer: It's all in Burnham's inner dialogue at the beginning when she says ash was thrown up into the sky to create the Milky Way with a message being out there. I'm guessing there's a message hidden in the stars that an Advanced Ancient Race is trying to communicate to those who can piece it together.

Whether the message is simple, complex, a guide to the galaxy, or a warning of something to come, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing a warning of something to come.

My two cents:

The seven red bursts represent the seven seals mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

The red angels are the seven angelic heralds of the apocalypse. Their "trumpet" call is what disrupted the Enterprise's systems, because they were not yet ready to receive the word in its pure form.

At first Starfleet believes the apocalypse to represent the end of all life in the galaxy, and indeed it is accompanied by some disastrous events leading up to it, but it will be discovered that it's actually a revelation of knowledge (the other meaning of the term apocalypse) about the origins of the universe, one that ties together multiple faith's creation myths (including the African folktale mentioned by Burnham) across multiple species and bridges the gap between faith and science.

Spock has been hearing the call of these angels since childhood and is the key to understanding them. It's sort of a play off of Sybok's hearing the call of the false god of Sha Ka Ree, but with more benevolent and genuine intent. Michael is going to be a part of Spock coming to a complete understanding of the message in a bottle these bursts represent, repairing their relationship while they uncover the truth.

It fits the showrunner's intention to have this season be an examination of faith.

But I like what Locutus came up with a lot, too. I think he might've nailed it.
 
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I doubt the angles represent the seven seals. Seals look totally different and smell like fish
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Hmmm... I’m intrigued by the dark matter asteroid properties / discovery Tilly was investigating - and it’s future implications... (an aspect of the ‘revelation’ of knowledge perhaps, as Locutus’s early posited?)
 
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