Or they just tossed in there with no regard to context. It was something Vulcan that looked cool.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x01 - "Brother"
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Or they just tossed in there with no regard to context. It was something Vulcan that looked cool.
It's actually a reproduction he found at the Pier 1 Imports on Starbase 12.
TOS, Kelvin or Disco. Hunter, Kenney, Greenwood or Mount, I've always liked Chris Pike.
I like him, too. A lot.
I'm just quibbling over the notion that Anson Mount gave us "nothing."
T'Kea.
Stamets isn't an Engineering officer.
Flaws aside I thought it was the best overall episode since the middle of Season 1. The Mudd episode or the one with the Latin title.
According to a couple episodes of S1, he was mentioned as the Chief Engineer of Discovery.
In their online catalog, it's listed as a Kroika.
It was on a computer screen, and that was an error according to the writers.
500 parts and you assemble it like a game of kal-toh.
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Nah, this was deliberate. The camera focuses on it, Michael focuses on it. It has some purpose as far as I can tell. Maybe we'll find out.
Like it or not, it's nothing like TOS.SOooo...
Can we assume that you don't care for TOS either.
Cause "Brother" is pretty much right in the vein of Classic Trek episodes.
And that's fine.
You'd be wrong in some peoples opinions.
And on Stamets... I cried when he was talking about Culber. The scene is handled and acted in such a fantastic way... but it left me kinda feeling like, 'I wish they had added some of this to the back end of s1,' because I really, really, didn't feel there was enough of it.
I also think it would have made him coming around to Tilly's experiment at the end a little more earned and natural if I had felt that he was sad for more than just this single episode. If his sadness had been handled a little better last season and then carried over as a real thread, this would have been an amazing and subtle way to 'bring him back'. I love that Tilly doesn't pressure him, that he let's himself go to her and get wrapped up in what she is doing with science, because he also loves science and chooses to re-embrace it. That part was fantastic and underplayed perfectly. But the quick pacing of 'oh he's finally sad! I've been waiting for this!' to 'okay well I guess he's getting better now!' took away some of what was so great about it. I hope Culber doesn't stay dead too long, cuz I want my happy boys back.
Oh, and I forgot to mention...it's good to see the episode stickys at the top of the page again! Oh how I have missed them!
I also think it would have made him coming around to Tilly's experiment at the end a little more earned and natural if I had felt that he was sad for more than just this single episode. If his sadness had been handled a little better last season and then carried over as a real thread, this would have been an amazing and subtle way to 'bring him back'. I love that Tilly doesn't pressure him, that he let's himself go to her and get wrapped up in what she is doing with science, because he also loves science and chooses to re-embrace it. That part was fantastic and underplayed perfectly. But the quick pacing of 'oh he's finally sad! I've been waiting for this!' to 'okay well I guess he's getting better now!' took away some of what was so great about it. I hope Culber doesn't stay dead too long, cuz I want my happy boys back.
Oh, and I forgot to mention...it's good to see the episode stickys at the top of the page again! Oh how I have missed them!
As @Tuskin38 said, that was an error, but he's still not an Engineering officer regardless; he's part of the Sciences division (hence the silver-accented uniform) and, while we didn't need to see a Chief Engineer character in Season 1, the fact that they've introduced two actual Engineering division officer characters with prominent ranks says to me that we're actually going to get a character filling that role in Season 2, but I can't figure out which of said characters - Nhan or Jet Reno - is more likely to fill said role and wanted to see what others' opinions were.
I was on the fence between a 7 and 8 and ended up giving it a 7.
Pros:
Minor Annoyances:
Cons:
I saw some comments about the old/new uniform changes and who has access to them that I wanted to comment on.... In the US Military (the USMC in particular is what I am familiar with) when uniform changes occur it is actually commonplace to see troops in a mixed mode (i.e. some with new and some with old uniforms). The reasons are multifaceted. Often there has simply not been enough production to meet demand and the newer ones are simply not widely enough available. Sometimes different units will have priority for uniforms over others. There is also the fact that existing uniforms should be worn until they are no longer serviceable (e.g. have holes, tears or excessive fading) up until the transition window is reached. So it is actually not strange at all that Pike would have access to these before the Discovery crew. Since uniform changes typically have to go through a multitude of bureaucratic review stages it could be that Enterprise's 5 year discovery mission may have simply been prioritized given that they are essentially a diplomatic/exploratory mission and thus want to showcase StarFleet's 'best look'. In addition to that it makes for an excellent field test scenario - there's enough uncertainty/danger out there to give the uniforms a good run through but without the large scale risk of just giving everybody new digs in the middle of a war where any possible snags might come at a larger overall cost.
Pros:
- Anson Mount as Pike
- Strangely enough....Peck voicing Spock - To my ears that short snippet sounded very very much like Nimoy which I liked
- Fortune cookie with a "Cage" as reference to original pilot as well as a sort of Lorca sendoff...not sure why i liked this so much
Minor Annoyances:
- Tilly - I'm just not into this particular flavor of geek pandering. She's not awful but it's just too much when taken as a whole. I thought her awkward moment with Pike was cute but t other times i just rolled my eyes.
- The "kill the arrogant guy" thing with the science officer was so obvious as to be distracting - that it comes directly as an element of interaction with Burnham the Wunderkind makes it that much more off putting to me.
- Maybe I missed something but the transition between Pike offering the chair back to Saru and then showing up in Discovery blues and taking command again seemed abrupt and disconcerting.
Cons:
- Possibly coming as no surprise, my biggest complaint about this series is still the ostensible main character of Burnham - I simply cannot find anything to like about this character or her back story. It's some combination of both the actress herself and the writing. Burnham is simply too much: 1) She invents a simile that gives Pike an excuse to call out how wonderfully brilliant she is 2) she's a hotshot pilot whose advice must be followed otherwise you die (science officer guy). 3) She's the only one that can save Pike in a maneuver that seems so nonsensical that it pretty much had me rolling my eyes and took me out of the moment. 4) Despite the stranded engineer teaching himself on the fly how to be a surgeon that same engineer marvels at Burnham's brilliance enough to say 'where were you 10 months ago' because of her amazing solution to...whatever the problem was 5) Burnham again is the only one quick-witted enough to save everyone by risking herself to do some kind of power-coupling-wire-wiggle maneuver. 6) She can outrace explosions...ok almost all explosions. and so forth...she's literally the critical element
- The ever more complicated Spock-Sarek-Amanda-Burnham relationship. Now I could be wrong but it seemed that they might be going into the possibility of some sort of romantic/sexual relationship between Spock and Burnham - did anyone else get that sense of things? Plus I just don't buy that, if they are going for building a meaningful relationship between Burnham and Sarek's family that she would never be mentioned again by him later on. This is obviously impossible given that Burnham was only recently invented, the point is really - why set up your series with such obvious questions unnecessarily? There is really nothing about Burnham's character so far that actually requires her to be Spock's long unknown foster sister - I would argue that here character choices would actually be better explained if she wasn't.
I saw some comments about the old/new uniform changes and who has access to them that I wanted to comment on.... In the US Military (the USMC in particular is what I am familiar with) when uniform changes occur it is actually commonplace to see troops in a mixed mode (i.e. some with new and some with old uniforms). The reasons are multifaceted. Often there has simply not been enough production to meet demand and the newer ones are simply not widely enough available. Sometimes different units will have priority for uniforms over others. There is also the fact that existing uniforms should be worn until they are no longer serviceable (e.g. have holes, tears or excessive fading) up until the transition window is reached. So it is actually not strange at all that Pike would have access to these before the Discovery crew. Since uniform changes typically have to go through a multitude of bureaucratic review stages it could be that Enterprise's 5 year discovery mission may have simply been prioritized given that they are essentially a diplomatic/exploratory mission and thus want to showcase StarFleet's 'best look'. In addition to that it makes for an excellent field test scenario - there's enough uncertainty/danger out there to give the uniforms a good run through but without the large scale risk of just giving everybody new digs in the middle of a war where any possible snags might come at a larger overall cost.
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I don't agree. I found the tonal shift a bit forced. I don't see the necessity of changing the series' tonal shift. I want "Star Trek Discovery", not some borderline copycat of "The Orville". Not even your typical Trek series from the past had such a drastic tonal shift.
The introduction of Anson Mount as Christopher Pike contributed to this tonal shift. His Pike came off as slightly bland and at one point, I found the character's regret for not participating in the war against the Klingons as not very interesting. And why is he a regular on this show? Why is he even a regular for Season Two? He and his two Enterprise officers, along with Michael Burnham, had succeeded in their mission, they should have left. Either Discovery would have found itself with a new captain or Saru could have become its permanent captain. Frankly, he deserves it. Instead, Kurtzman drummed up some lame reason to keep Pike around so that the show can have some bland white guy as the main authority figure in order to soothe the nerves of those fans who could not deal with the chaotic Gabriel Lorca as captain or Michael Burnham as the show's lead.
I blame the fanboys who want the show to recapture the past. And I blame Alex Kurtzman for listening to these fanboys, instead of basking in the success of Season One and moving forward with more innovative stories. It's just a crime that producers like Kurtzman, the Warner Brothers suits and Kathleen Kennedy are so afraid of the narrow-minded fanboys that they would rather keep their respective franchises either mired in the past or borderline bland. And in doing so, they end up ignoring the fact that when these franchises were innovative, they were also box office or ratings successes.
I have come to the conclusion that part of the Trek fandom, like the ones for other franchises, strikes me as rather frustrating and narrow-minded. These fans would rather cling to the past, rather than enjoy something different or innovative for its franchise. And when show runners like Alex Kurtzman kowtow to loud and rather conservative-minded fans and critics, entertainment and art in pop culture becomes in danger of declining into a sad affair.
I'm not surprised that you would save your biggest complaint about her. She is still portrayed by a black actress. Perhaps you'll become a major fan when the show puts a white man in the lead.
^ Kurtzman didn't take over Showrunning duties until some time after this episode - and the next several as well, I believe - was finished, so this shift in tone is entirely the "fault" of Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg and is actually something they'd been planning since Season 1 was still in production under their watch.
I think they did plenty of that in the first season. From Lorca's "Huh. And he knows you." to Tilly's impromptu MU salute (hell, anything Tilly did in the last episode), I found myself laughing numerous times.
Trek Core posted this helpful image showing where Sarah Mitch was in the episode (on the left). This shot was in the first or second S2 trailer I believe, and at least one person on this forum pointed it out back then, but no one really commented on it.
I think producers finally figured out that Sara was too beautiful to be hidden under all that Airiam makeup/prosthetics
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