USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[F. King Daniel]

Eaves and his co-designer, I have forgotten his name, designed the DSC Enterprise so it could be refit into something that resembles the TOS version more closely.

And that's why the design is so uninspired and bland. Take the TOS ship, squish it vertically and add movie details and pylons. It's anachronistic in a visually rebooted Trek universe.

The Kelvin universe ships put a unique spin on the Enterprise from the ground up. Disco doesn't.

 

[saddestmoon]

And that's why the design is so uninspired and bland. Take the TOS ship, squish it vertically and add movie details and pylons. It's anachronistic in a visually rebooted Trek universe.

The Kelvin universe ships put a unique spin on the Enterprise from the ground up. Disco doesn't.

QFT and 100% agree!

 

[jaime]

And that's why the design is so uninspired and bland. Take the TOS ship, squish it vertically and add movie details and pylons. It's anachronistic in a visually rebooted Trek universe.

The Kelvin universe ships put a unique spin on the Enterprise from the ground up. Disco doesn't.

Um. Point of order your honour. The JJ prise is made of rescaled bits of the TMP enterprise with some different nacelles basically. Oh..and they popped the saucer nab deflector back on but kept the blue glow. Not saying it doesn’t look ok...but different it is not.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Kelvin universe ships put a unique spin on the Enterprise from the ground up. Disco doesn't.

Because they didn't want to change it too much.

 

[BillJ]

Because they didn't want to change it too much.

Then they shouldn't have changed it at all. Trying to have it both ways leaves most folks unsatisfied with the final product.

 

[Tuskin38]

Blame the producers, not the artist.

 

[Ronald Held]

Waiting to see the 1701 refit yearly or by 2264 to look like the TOS Enterprise...

 

[Dukhat]

Eaves and his co-designer, I have forgotten his name, designed the DSC Enterprise so it could be refit into something that resembles the TOS version more closely.

For example, the original straight pylons Eaves designed, if you remove that outer small piece, the remainder of the pylon is the roughly same size and design (relatively speaking to the rest of the ship) as the original TOS pylons.

Some more art. As you can see the design isn't 100% his, he does get notes back from the production team on what to change. One of the early concepts below has a solid connection between the pylons and engineering hull, just like TOS, but he was asked to taper it out.

Also huh, Eaves worked on 'The Hunt for Red October'.

I don’t quite buy what Eaves states about “designing the Enterprise so that it could be refit into something that resembles the TOS Enterprise more closely.” Why? Because that diagram above looks at least 90% like an early design of his for the NX-01, which was not meant to be refit into the TOS Enterprise (and which does have the space between its pylons that he claims someone else asked him to put in for the 1701):

https://m.imgur.com/p3watd7

So I think Eaves is full of shit, and that he simply took an old design of his from ENT and reused it almost exactly for a completely different ship, like he’s done numerous times in the past.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Blame the producers, not the artist.

Blame whatever legal/copyright cluster**** CBS/Paramount allowed themselves to get into (for quick money, no doubt) that specifically bars them from using the original designs. "At least 25% different" is the rule now, and will remain so regardless of story intent. That includes the Picard series, the animated series, EVERYTHING else going forward.

 

[Tuskin38]

Blame whatever legal/copyright cluster**** CBS/Paramount allowed themselves to get into (for quick money, no doubt) that specifically bars them from using the original designs. "At least 25% different" is the rule now, and will remain so regardless of story intent. That includes the Picard series, the animated series, EVERYTHING else going forward.

There is nothing legally preventing them from using the TOS design

CBS debunked that rumour months ago.

CBS owns the design, they just chose not to use it.

I don’t quite buy what Eaves states about “designing the Enterprise so that it could be refit into something that resembles the TOS Enterprise more closely.” Why? Because that diagram above looks at least 90% like an early design of his for the NX-01, which was not meant to be refit into the TOS Enterprise (and which does have the space between its pylons that he claims someone else asked him to put in for the 1701):

https://m.imgur.com/p3watd7

So I think Eaves is full of shit, and that he simply took an old design of his from ENT and reused it almost exactly for a completely different ship, like he’s done numerous times in the past.

You’d be wrong. Because the final DSC ENT design looks very little like that. They share some elements, but that’s because it was meant to be an evolution from the NX-01

Also Eaves never said someone told him to put the holes in the pylons. He said on Facebook that it was his choice.

 

[Dukhat]

You’d be wrong. Because the final DSC ENT design looks very little like that. They share some elements, but that’s because it was meant to be an evolution from the NX-01

I’m not talking about the final design. I’m talking about the concept art you posted, which was his starting off point for the DSC Enterprise.

Also Eaves never said someone told him to put the holes in the pylons. He said on Facebook that it was his choice.

Er, in your previous post, you said that “One of the early concepts below has a solid connection between the pylons and engineering hull, just like TOS, but he was asked to taper it out.” That implies that putting a hole in the pylon was never his idea, which was wrong. I’m only going by what you wrote.

 

[Tuskin38]

Er, in your previous post, you said that “One of the early concepts below has a solid connection between the pylons and engineering hull, just like TOS, but he was asked to taper it out.” That implies that putting a hole in the pylon was never his idea, which was wrong. I’m only going by what you wrote.

I was talking about where the pylons connected to the hull, not the hole. Like it says that in my post. I don’t even mention the hole.

I’m not talking about the final design. I’m talking about the concept art you posted, which was his starting off point for the DSC Enterprise.

But that isn’t the design we got, the final design is what Eaves is talking about.

 

[Dukhat]

I was talking about where the pylons connected to the hull, not the hole. Like it says that in my post

My mistake. However, his NX-01 concept has that as well.

And my point about the design, as I previously stated, was that Eaves’s comment about refitting the DSC E to the TOS E isn’t true, since the whole design was based on a ship that had nothing to do with the TOS E. I simply don’t believe him. You’re welcome to.

 

[Tuskin38]

My mistake. However, his NX-01 concept has that as well.

Yeah, I pointed that out, as did others way back when. Eaves referred to the Connie’s as heat vents or something like that. Not sure if that was what he intended his NX-01 pylons to have.

However, these pylons do have the original TOS pylons integrated into them. With the black squares and the lights/windows on then like in TOS.

was that Eaves’s comment about refitting the DSC E to the TOS E isn’t true, since the whole design was based on a ship that had nothing to do with the TOS E. I simply don’t believe him

It’s true for the final version of the design, which is what Eaves was talking about.

He wasn’t talking about the very first design. It’s something that happened as they started working on later versions.

 

[Mudd]

I don’t quite buy what Eaves states about “designing the Enterprise so that it could be refit into something that resembles the TOS Enterprise more closely.” Why? Because that diagram above looks at least 90% like an early design of his for the NX-01, which was not meant to be refit into the TOS Enterprise (and which does have the space between its pylons that he claims someone else asked him to put in for the 1701):

https://m.imgur.com/p3watd7

So I think Eaves is full of shit, and that he simply took an old design of his from ENT and reused it almost exactly for a completely different ship, like he’s done numerous times in the past.

Other than the split pylons, the STD ship resembles the TOS ship far more than it does Eaves NX-01. The differences between that design and the current one are numerous.

 

[Dukhat]

Other than the split pylons, the STD ship resembles the TOS ship far more than it does Eaves NX-01. The differences between that design and the current one are numerous.

Yes, because you’re talking about the ship that was shown on screen. I’m talking about the similarities between Eaves’s concept art of the NX-01 and his concept art of the DSC Enterprise.

 

[Mudd]

Yes, because you’re talking about the ship that was shown on screen. I’m talking about the similarities between Eaves’s concept art of the NX-01 and his concept art of the DSC Enterprise.

I'm talking about Eaves' concept drawing, which I'm very familiar with and which you linked to.

I started to model the old Eaves NX-01 a couple of times. Lost interest because in 3D it's not really terribly good looking. It would have needed a lot of refinement.

It shares the basic configuration of most Enterprise designs with the STD version. Aside from that, detail proportions, angles etc. are considerably different.

 

[Dukhat]

I’m afraid I have to disagree with you. It’s completely clear to me that Eaves took his old design as a starting point for the DSC Enterprise. The similarities are just too close. YMMV.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm talking about Eaves' concept drawing, which I'm very familiar with and which you linked to.

I started to model the old Eaves NX-01 a couple of times. Lost interest because in 3D it's not really terribly good looking. It would have needed a lot of refinement.

It shares the basic configuration of most Enterprise designs with the STD version. Aside from that, detail proportions, angles etc. are considerably different.

I believe Dukhat is referring to the drawing in blue here

https://i.imgur.com/MLAM0Ct.jpg

 

[starsuperion]

Wait, wait....

What about this design, with some small mods? It could work..

Its difficult trying to make the Kelvin designs look good. I kinda like this look. Tho it needs some texture and skin improvements on the hull. I still like it. Tho not a fan of the upper nacelles.