Jodie is my LEAST favourite Doctor so far
Are you counting Curse of the Fatal Deaths?
Hugh Grant is quite ####ing smackable.
Spoilers Kerblam! grade and discussion thread
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Are you counting Curse of the Fatal Deaths?
Hugh Grant is quite ####ing smackable.
Great episode, I'm really loving everything so far. Killer bubblewrap actually freaked me out a bit, that could wipe out the entire human race because no one can resist the temptation.
Man I looked that up... I see Rowan Atkinson and a rather dishy Hugh (so loved using the word 'dishy') but is that guy in the video the same as the one in Voyagers 'Chaotica'??
If you mean the Master, no. It's Jonathan Pryce, better known for playing the bad guy in the Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies and Governor Swann in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. More recently, he was the High Sparrow in Game of Thrones.
And, if you can remember him, he was also the eponymous Jack in the Whoopi Goldberg film Jumpin' Jack Flash.
This one was more action packed, less moralising and had a villain with a motive that got his comeuppance at the end. Can I ask what you didn't like about it or is it just Jodie?
I really thought - geeze that's Doctor Chaotica 
I wonder if Bradley (Graham) and Julie (Hayley) from Coronation Street had some behind the scenes catch up moments?
It still feels like hit you over the head moralising to me. This time about corporations and bubble wrap.
Jesus!
You haven't seen Brazil?
You haven't seen Brazil?
Is that Debra’s mother from Raymond??
The bit where The Doctor was complimenting Kira seemed rather cringeworthy to me. I'm not certain why either...
Otherwise enjoyed it. I particularly liked Ryan and his reference to the People's Republic of South Yorkshire. It's something a local Conservative politician once called Sheffield due to local council being held by very left wing elements of the Labour party at the time. It started being used again at the last general election when the Hallam constituency (the richer area of the city, and Nick Clegg's seat at the time) was won by Labour for the first time ever.
Otherwise enjoyed it. I particularly liked Ryan and his reference to the People's Republic of South Yorkshire. It's something a local Conservative politician once called Sheffield due to local council being held by very left wing elements of the Labour party at the time. It started being used again at the last general election when the Hallam constituency (the richer area of the city, and Nick Clegg's seat at the time) was won by Labour for the first time ever.
And something that has been used someone disparagingly by the rest of Yorkshire since Sheffield refused to be involved in any of the plans for a devolved Yorkshire in favour of the devolved Sheffield City Region.
Looking at the still from the tube I posted of Brazil... That's Jim Broadbent, who was also Doctor Who in Curse of the fatal Deaths.
Small world.
Small world.
This episode was OK. The story was set in an interesting environment. You can sort of imagine something like that developing overtime. It was a fun romp. Nice twist on the mystery. A bit of a cheap looking episode though. From the sets to the terrible CGI.
Didn't like how the Kerblam man was able to materialize on the TARDIS. That should not be possible--particularly for something like a delivery service!
And, speaking of teleport, they're relying on it too much this season. In the opener, Punjab, and now. Seems to be a bit too handy.
Didn't like how the Kerblam man was able to materialize on the TARDIS. That should not be possible--particularly for something like a delivery service!
And, speaking of teleport, they're relying on it too much this season. In the opener, Punjab, and now. Seems to be a bit too handy.
True, we know the TARDIS has a force field that can keep anything out. So logically, we must conclude that the TARDIS allowed the Kerblam man in on purpose. Presumably, the TARDIS scanned it, identified it as a harmless delivery and allowed it in. Also, the TARDIS may have detected the "help me" message inside and wanted the Doctor to respond to it.
Definitely one of this episode's strengths. Other series can manage casts that are even larger than four. So, it can be done. Just took a bit to figure it out this season on DW.
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I'm pretty sure the Doctor pushed a button or two on the console and let the delivery in.
Old school fans (think: RTD) will be flopping over themselves in hollow joy in what's a recycled Smith episode and could have been Smith with minor script alterations. Smith too did the 5 year-old manifestations. Wasn't any better back then either.
But it's so cringe inducing, shallow, and one-dimensional. And covering a subject without postulating solutions for what it's hyping up as a problem. I kept having to remind myself Chibnall didn't write it... then again, he is the lead in a writers' room so he';s probably had more involvement than what the on-screen writing credit displays.
And if they have teleport technology, why the robots and conveyor belts to begin with - it's all a bit excessive and not the RTD-like "endless void room filled with impossibly long nonsense", which he probably lifted from The Matrix but doesn't look as well on a small screen, not because the rows of robots look nothing like the close-ups.
Next week's episode looks more promising, but the pseudohistorical episodes this year have been vastly superior. So far. even with the "the sonic"
Well, tricorders were set up for specific, stated purpose(s) and never deviated from said purpose(s) -- in increasingly loose and laughable ways or otherwise, especially for the sake of plot contrivancer or moving the plot forward, in which case there's no plot but I digress. Or else we'd be there pointing out the sloppiness in the scripts there just as much and wait until my next TOS marathon if you don't believe me. I'm thinking by January if not sooner.
Indeed, to drive the point home in more but less poignant words: Wake me when a tricorder is used as mobile transporter unit, do-all door unlocker, computer reprogrammer at the single flick of a wrist... that's the difference, for a device whose original intent was to use concentrated sound waves to get around primitive mechanisms and nothing so (magically outlandish, I'll leave it at that). If I see a medical tricorder used for engineering purposes, I'll be there. Or vice-versa. TOS did have tricorders rigged for different purposes and were kept by the rules they made for them, they put some thought into it. Remember "Wolf in the Fold"? They had a tricorder with a single purpose function stated. Might have been useful in other episodes but that's not the point...
TOS had its share but TOS never succumbed to the pitiful levels modern day DW has in using any old piece of alleged technology as a plot panacea or maguffin to be whipped out on cue, never mind characters even saying on screen how it's a breeze. Remember earlier in season 11 where the Doctor squeals with "It's a door! That's no problem!" and wasting half a minute's worth of plot to focus on such inanity as she whips out the magic wand. If TOS was aimed at comparably aged kids (8 year olds), then don't tell me society hasn't devolved either. At least Trek got them interested in STEM. Waving a magic wand isn't doing anybody on either side of the screen any bit of good.
And, yes, TOS had its share of uncreative liberties as well. They're comparatively slim and subtle at worst. The two are legitimately incomparable because TOS is (for the most part) true sci-fi with rules it makes and won't break out of lackadaisical convenience, whereas DW (especially the last 13 years) is high fantasy where any ol' scribble will do.
So that's why it is. It is what it is.
But it's so cringe inducing, shallow, and one-dimensional. And covering a subject without postulating solutions for what it's hyping up as a problem. I kept having to remind myself Chibnall didn't write it... then again, he is the lead in a writers' room so he';s probably had more involvement than what the on-screen writing credit displays.
And if they have teleport technology, why the robots and conveyor belts to begin with - it's all a bit excessive and not the RTD-like "endless void room filled with impossibly long nonsense", which he probably lifted from The Matrix but doesn't look as well on a small screen, not because the rows of robots look nothing like the close-ups.
Next week's episode looks more promising, but the pseudohistorical episodes this year have been vastly superior. So far. even with the "the sonic"
Well, tricorders were set up for specific, stated purpose(s) and never deviated from said purpose(s) -- in increasingly loose and laughable ways or otherwise, especially for the sake of plot contrivancer or moving the plot forward, in which case there's no plot but I digress. Or else we'd be there pointing out the sloppiness in the scripts there just as much and wait until my next TOS marathon if you don't believe me. I'm thinking by January if not sooner.
Indeed, to drive the point home in more but less poignant words: Wake me when a tricorder is used as mobile transporter unit, do-all door unlocker, computer reprogrammer at the single flick of a wrist... that's the difference, for a device whose original intent was to use concentrated sound waves to get around primitive mechanisms and nothing so (magically outlandish, I'll leave it at that). If I see a medical tricorder used for engineering purposes, I'll be there. Or vice-versa. TOS did have tricorders rigged for different purposes and were kept by the rules they made for them, they put some thought into it. Remember "Wolf in the Fold"? They had a tricorder with a single purpose function stated. Might have been useful in other episodes but that's not the point...
TOS had its share but TOS never succumbed to the pitiful levels modern day DW has in using any old piece of alleged technology as a plot panacea or maguffin to be whipped out on cue, never mind characters even saying on screen how it's a breeze. Remember earlier in season 11 where the Doctor squeals with "It's a door! That's no problem!" and wasting half a minute's worth of plot to focus on such inanity as she whips out the magic wand. If TOS was aimed at comparably aged kids (8 year olds), then don't tell me society hasn't devolved either. At least Trek got them interested in STEM. Waving a magic wand isn't doing anybody on either side of the screen any bit of good.
And, yes, TOS had its share of uncreative liberties as well. They're comparatively slim and subtle at worst. The two are legitimately incomparable because TOS is (for the most part) true sci-fi with rules it makes and won't break out of lackadaisical convenience, whereas DW (especially the last 13 years) is high fantasy where any ol' scribble will do.
So that's why it is. It is what it is.
