USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[cooleddie74]

To me the impulse deck looks somewhat modular. Pop in, pop out. Replace with the one seen in "Where No Man Has Gone Before(TOS)." They must already be modular or at least relatively easy to modify or replace in TOS since a new configuration appears between the second pilot(2265) and "The Corbomite Maneuver"(2266).

 

[XCV330]

Constitution: the AR-15 platform of federation ships. No wonder they just called it the "Starship Class"

 

[Mudd]

The impulse deck is just an adaptation of the original Excelsior impulse deck, and the latest example of the Eaves school of starship design: take some detail from an earlier design and tack it onto whatever you're doing. The Enterprise-E is mostly put together that way, and the parts are pretty easy to identify. It's a very fannish, tinker-toy approach to "design."

 

[Timo]

...And, considering how Eaves came in at a time when the introducing of new ship designs could finally start happening in quantity, it's now also the Starfleet approach to this thing, by weight of statistics.

Makes sense, too. Why not build ships that exact way? If anything ought to be modular, it's the very heart of the ship, the part that was supposed to be the best possible one at the time it was built, the thing making the ship modern rather than outdated at the date of commissioning. Heart transplants ought to be the one thing to prepare for in ship design. Which is why it's so nice to have warp and impulse engines on the ship exterior, even though from alien designs we learn this is far from a mandatory design solution...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Constitution: the AR-15 platform of federation ships. No wonder they just called it the "Starship Class"

They could have called it the Proteus Class. In fact, that would still be a cool class name, especially if a ship was more modular than anything we've ever seen.

 

[Mudd]

...And, considering how Eaves came in at a time when the introducing of new ship designs could finally start happening in quantity, it's now also the Starfleet approach to this thing, by weight of statistics.

Who cares? I was talking about art design and aesthetics; made-up in-universe poohbah is inconsequential.

 

[cooleddie74]

I still don't get why the Enterprise in DSC needs the band of illumination lights and the notch right below the bridge module. I mean...sure. They light up the name and the registry number, but no Enterprise of this time frame in any incarnation old or new has ever had that feature.

It works on the Shepard-class starships but not so much on the Enterprise.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I still don't get why the Enterprise in DSC needs the band of illumination lights and the notch right below the bridge module. I mean...sure. They light up the name and the registry number, but no Enterprise of this time frame in any incarnation old or new has ever had that feature.

It works on the Shepard-class starships but not so much on the Enterprise.

Yep. All the other changes aren't so bad to me, but the row of windows/lights in that notch are pretty strange. On the refit, the resistry was illuminated by lights right under (over?) the bridge.

 

[Tuskin38]

I still don't get why the Enterprise in DSC needs the band of illumination lights and the notch right below the bridge module. I mean...sure. They light up the name and the registry number, but no Enterprise of this time frame in any incarnation old or new has ever had that feature.

It works on the Shepard-class starships but not so much on the Enterprise.

because of the licencing differences.
It also fits with the other ships in the era.

The Shenzhou has it as well, albeit on the sides.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yep. All the other changes aren't so bad to me, but the row of windows/lights in that notch are pretty strange. On the refit, the resistry was illuminated by lights right under (over?) the bridge.

Which, because of the curve of the saucer, was not physically capable of lighting the area with the registry on it
(the actual illumination was provided from lights shone at the model)

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Which, because of the curve of the saucer, was not physically capable of lighting the area with the registry on it
(the actual illumination was provided from lights shone at the model)

I know. And the lights on the nacelle fins shouldn't have been able to light the registry #'s back there either

Still looked nice though, especially the TMP pearlescent beauty.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I still don't get why the Enterprise in DSC needs the band of illumination lights and the notch right below the bridge module. I mean...sure. They light up the name and the registry number, but no Enterprise of this time frame in any incarnation old or new has ever had that feature.

Well, they must have had them, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to read the registry. It is very dark.... in spaaaacccceeeeee.....

[cue Reliant music]

 

[Dukhat]

The impulse deck is just an adaptation of the original Excelsior impulse deck, and the latest example of the Eaves school of starship design: take some detail from an earlier design and tack it onto whatever you're doing. The Enterprise-E is mostly put together that way, and the parts are pretty easy to identify. It's a very fannish, tinker-toy approach to "design."

What really annoys me is that since ST:FC, Eaves has been regarded by the powers that be as some sort of hotshot starship designer, when he is anything but. It's gotten to the point where it is almost impossible to ascertain what era any given ship is from, because they all look the same. How much do you want to bet that if we see any ships in the Picard show, that they won't look all that different from the ships we're seeing in DSC?

 

[F. King Daniel]

What really annoys me is that since ST:FC, Eaves has been regarded by the powers that be as some sort of hotshot starship designer, when he is anything but. It's gotten to the point where it is almost impossible to ascertain what era any given ship is from, because they all look the same. How much do you want to bet that if we see any ships in the Picard show, that they won't look all that different from the ships we're seeing in DSC?

It's not all his fault. Someone approved his 24th century-ish USS Shenzhou design and the others. Taken as a clean slate, which had to be the intention (visually at least, in this schizophrenic production), they look fine. The late 24th century is the new mid-23rd century look.

When you try to integrate Disco with the rest you run into endless issues. But they don't intend us to do that - that's why they have their own distinct Pike-era USS Enterprise and uniforms.

 

[Dukhat]

It's not all his fault. Someone approved his 24th century-ish USS Shenzhou design and the others. Taken as a clean slate, which had to be the intention (visually at least, in this schizophrenic production), they look fine. The late 24th century is the new mid-23rd century look.

When you try to integrate Disco with the rest you run into endless issues. But they don't intend us to do that - that's why they have their own distinct Pike-era USS Enterprise and uniforms.

But it did not have to be that way. Look at the design aesthetic for the Kelvinverse ships (i.e. the Kelvin, Newton, Armstrong, Mayflower, etc.) and uniforms. They look far more like TOS than DSC does (and those ships were not designed by Eaves).

And IMHO, the Shenzhou actually does look like it belongs in that era (or at least it's a viable descendant of the NX class), except for the nacelles.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

The impulse deck is just an adaptation of the original Excelsior impulse deck, and the latest example of the Eaves school of starship design: take some detail from an earlier design and tack it onto whatever you're doing. The Enterprise-E is mostly put together that way, and the parts are pretty easy to identify. It's a very fannish, tinker-toy approach to "design."

What really annoys me is that since ST:FC, Eaves has been regarded by the powers that be as some sort of hotshot starship designer, when he is anything but. It's gotten to the point where it is almost impossible to ascertain what era any given ship is from, because they all look the same. How much do you want to bet that if we see any ships in the Picard show, that they won't look all that different from the ships we're seeing in DSC?

This, 100%. Eaves is little more than a professional kitbasher.

 

[pst]

i know i've said this before, but with all the critiquing of eaves it bears repeating.

i think the problem with the discovery enterprise is it seems like the producers and designers didn't ask themselves how they could approach the enterprise differently, they just found things about it they could change. if they'd swung for the fences and created something totally new, half of us may have hated it (like the kelvin enterprise), but at least there wouldn't be this sort of frankenstein design that - while cool - doesn't seem to fit anywhere in the pantheon of enterprises.

 

[Tuskin38]

This, 100%. Eaves is little more than a professional kitbasher.

What? No he isn't.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

I still don't get why the Enterprise in DSC needs the band of illumination lights and the notch right below the bridge module. I mean...sure. They light up the name and the registry number, but no Enterprise of this time frame in any incarnation old or new has ever had that feature.

It works on the Shepard-class starships but not so much on the Enterprise.

Because they make the ship look more awesomer

And also it does the effect from “Knight Rider”

 

[Timo]

Who cares? I was talking about art design and aesthetics; made-up in-universe poohbah is inconsequential.

Well, sorta. But the subject issue here is that art design and aesthetics is inconsequential now, because this is what we have, and will have for the time being. Even when people other than Eaves introduce new designs, because they will simply be absorbed into the new whole as additional kitbashing elements to create the "generic Star Trek look".

Which of course is just as important to Star Trek as the generic Star Wars look is to that other franchise. Scifi is a dime-in-a-dozen genre now, and has been for quite a while: keeping it simple rather than subdividing into in-universe "eras" or other fractions probably helps out with portraying a visual identity.

Timo Saloniemi