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Daredevil season 3 Marvel/Netflix

Season 3, while not flawless, was a return to the high quality of season 1. All of the main characters went through invaluable and painful paths, most notably Matt's loss of faith in religion, the law, family, and even himself, all of which drove his deeply personal war against Wilson Fisk with ramifications for everyone around both of them. That war was ugly on both sides, but it was especially bad for Matt as Kingpin tore down both Matt's public persona and his secret life as Daredevil, framing the vigilante for brutal attacks that anyone who actually knew Daredevil knows he would never commit. To twist the knife even further, Kingpin went after Karen and Foggy, attacking them directly as well as Foggy's family indirectly, especially after Karen foolishly confessed to Kingpin for the murder of Wesley in a poor attempt to get him to attack her in front of the FBI.

On the flip side was Wilson Fisk's admirable to do anything to be reunited with his beloved Vanessa, stopping at nothing to attain his goals. While I enjoyed not seeing some of his machinations on screen, the level of control he had over numerous FBI agents, politicians, bureaucrats, jurors, and many others and the speed at which he achieved that control sometimes strained believability. Granted this is a show based on a comic book about a man with unbelievably heightened senses to fight crime, but the moment with the grand jury felt like a stretch in the speed and effectiveness that control was achieved solely to prevent Fisk from being arrested.

For some reason, I was under the impression that Benjamin "Dex" Poindexter was going to be hired hitman that simply had an FBI back history, despite knowing that Jay Ali was a cast member as an FBI agent. Nonetheless, I enjoyed his character arc and how he was a skilled killer at a young age, much like Fisk himself. However, I wasn't entirely enthralled with how decided to reveal his upbringing, through the eyes of Fisk as he read through his case history. It would be one thing if it was just the tape recordings of Dex's psychiatry sessions, but we frequently saw Fisk reacting directly to Dex's actions that occurred in front him beyond the verbal and stylistically that didn't work for me. Otherwise, I loved the presentation of the character and his struggles to keep control of his anger in attempts to please Fisk and to take down Daredevil. I imagine with his new spine (is that a reference to something in the comics?), his vendetta against Daredevil will be all the stronger and angrier when he undoubtedly returns.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I loved how Father Paul Lantom has a much larger role this season, one that's expanded to Matt's back history. He has been one of my favorite supporting characters over the years, and while I'm sad the character died, he did so nobly and was given a proper send-off, both in death and in mourning.

Perhaps the biggest surprise for me this season was what didn't happen. For some reason, I was under the impression that Annabella Sciorra was going to be a major player this season following her set-up in Luke Cage season 2, but she ended up with less screen time on Daredevil than she did on Luke Cage. Perhaps it was a false impression considering the large role her character apparently plays in the comics, but I could've sworn reading her role being hyped up in the press release of her casting.

I know this is a problem with many shows, but I often got annoyed how poorly FBI agents operated in the field, often not clearing corners which allowed Daredevil to easily evade them and take them out. Likewise, they never looked up. Every time they failed to clear a corner, I immediately thought of that scene in The Silence of the Lambs. Pity Scott Glenn couldn't suddenly appear out of one of those corners to chastise them. :lol:

The single-shot cinematography in the 4th episode was the best camera work I've seen since Children of Men. While I'm certain some people weren't impressed by the fighting choreography in comparison to past fights, the camera work itself simply blew me away.

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I've only got three episodes of Black Sails Season 1, so I'll probably finish that up to more and then replace it with this. Really looking forward to it, Daredevil is my second favorite Marvel Netflix show, very close behind Jessica Jones.
 
I'm six episodes in but can't fit another one in before work. I'm really enjoying it so far. I'm loving Bullseye, and I'm happy that Kingpin is a big presence again. D'Onofrio is always amazing.

It's beating season two hands down, which I'm happy for.
 
Just watched the first episode and it is off to a great start. The stuff with Matt and Maggie was really good, I'm very curious if a certain element from the comics will come into play there.
 
Just curious, does Bullseye look remotely like Bullseye, or is it the standard "Netflix hates costumes" thing, meaning that Colin Farrell probably looks more like the comic version? I don't need spandex, just a damn mask with a bullseye on it.

This talk of the show (I'm skimming to mostly avoid spoilers, but I got a little bit) makes me not want to watch. I LOATHE storylines where the hero gets framed for things and that makes everyone his enemy, and Kingpin just paying his way out of jail is fucking asinine. So, yeah, unless I get to see Foggy or Karen die I'll be skipping season 3, because I refuse to watch a hero getting framed story. That actually almost pisses me off more then the "Elektra is a japanese serial killer instead of a Greek assassin for literally no reason" bullshit of DD Season 2, although that season grew on me as it went ( but I'll still never really forgive them for pulling an Arrowverse with Elektra) because the base story was decent if you mentally rename that woman who isn't Elektra.

This just seems like bullshit. Did the JJ, iron Fist or Defenders writers get hired for daredevil? Because it really feels like their work. I bet DD doesn't even wear his fucking costume 90% of the time. I loved Kingpin in season 1 and really wanted him back, but this is just fucking stupid.
 
Just watched the first episode and it is off to a great start. The stuff with Matt and Maggie was really good, I'm very curious if a certain element from the comics will come into play there.
If you mean that she's his mother, then yes.

Just curious, does Bullseye look remotely like Bullseye, or is it the standard "Netflix hates costumes" thing, meaning that Colin Farrell probably looks more like the comic version? I don't need spandex, just a damn mask with a bullseye on it.
They play around with the bullseye imagery a couple of times but that's about it. We do get a fun juxtaposition of red costume vs. black costume but with Matt and Dex in opposite outfits.

This talk of the show (I'm skimming to mostly avoid spoilers, but I got a little bit) makes me not want to watch. I LOATHE storylines where the hero gets framed for things and that makes everyone his enemy, and Kingpin just paying his way out of jail is fucking asinine.
Even when they're based on classic comic storylines (in this case, "Born Again")?

That actually almost pisses me off more then the "Elektra is a japanese serial killer instead of a Greek assassin for literally no reason" bullshit of DD Season 2, although that season grew on me as it went ( but I'll still never really forgive them for pulling an Arrowverse with Elektra) because the base story was decent if you mentally rename that woman who isn't Elektra.
Except Élodie Yung is French Cambodian and Elektra was raised in a Greek household in the show (adopted by a Greek ambassador from the Stick). Besides, how important is her Greek heritage in the comics? Does it play an important role in characterization? I ask because I honestly don't know.

I'm sorry you'll miss out on a great season of the show simply because of your preconceived judgments. :(
 
Even when they're based on classic comic storylines (in this case, "Born Again")?

I dislike most of Frank Miller's DD work for the most part anyway (the man was extremely overrated even before he became an openly racist/sexist piece or shit), the original Elektra storyarc was the only part I thought was any good (although I generally don't read much DD, because he hasn't had a good writer in over a decade and he was never that compelling to me in the comics because of how much Miller influenced him). Born Again I've never even bothered to read, but I know about it. Daredevil loses and gains a secret identity so often now its basically a joke in the comics about whether people know his identity or not at any given moment. He once just embraced it and practiced law in a fancy red suit showing off how not blind he was. so, yeah, I definitely don't find that ancient story line compelling.

Except Élodie Yung is French Cambodian and Elektra was raised in a Greek household (adopted by a Greek ambassador from the Stick). Besides, how important is her Greek heritage in the comics? Does it play an important role in characterization? I ask because I honestly don't know.

Well, the actress might not be Japanese (which I knew, but wasn't really thinking), but they really play her as it, or at least it feels that way because the Hand are Ninjas and that is something associated with Japan. Anyway, there is no reason to make her Asian. Most characters I don't care anymore when it comes to changing the ethnicity, but Elektra being actually Greek is important to her. Making her adapted is moronic. If DD wanted more diversity, which is fine, then Foggy or Karen should have been changed in Season 1, because neither has any reason to be Caucasian, as opposed to changing Elektra and then claiming she was adopted.

But, even taking out the Asian make over, Elektra is not a psychopath or a serial killer. She doesn't get off on killing, she's generally really cold blooded about her job unless it is specifically some personal thing. Netflix Elektra goes full Batman villain, which is completely against the character and was the major problem with her. She's not generally a good person, she does kill for money after all, but she's not a killer because she's crazy. I'd be fine with them toning down the hired killer part part, since she tends more toward anti-hero in the comics nowadays, but tying her killing into being at least partially psychotic was what really made me angry about what Netflix did with her.

I'm sorry you'll miss out on a great season of the show simply because of your preconceived judgments. :(

The only thing I'm actually missing is DD and Kingpin, the only two good characters on the show in my opinion, but they ruined both anyway so nothing of value is lost by not watching. Hopefully this show gets cancelled like Luke Cage did, it sucks to see a once good show just keep getting worse and worse.

Or, you know, they could adapt the story where Karen dies. I'll definitely tune into season 4 for that, but that's about the only thing that could get me back at this point.
 
Fine whatever on most of your points, but I have to say I'm disturbed by how eager you are to see a character die (a woman at that) as means to get you interested in watching again. Yeah, I know, they're just characters but it's still pretty weird how you've gone out of your way twice to express such an interest. Especially considering how Karen dies (based on what I've read about it, I haven't read the story itself).
 
Cool, that really add a nice bit of extra context to all of their interactions.
Yeah, it certainly does. I haven't read any Daredevil comics, but I looked up the character after seeing The Defenders finale and spoiled myself about the character history.
 
Yeah, it certainly does. I haven't read any Daredevil comics, but I looked up the character after seeing The Defenders finale and spoiled myself about the character history.

Same here.

If you ever read just one Daredevil arc, it should be Born Again by pre- crazy balls Frank Miller. It's one of the best things he ever wrote, certainly the best thing for Marvel. Season 3 has been heavily influenced by that arc.

Maggie's introduction, Kingpin learning Matt's ID, trying to destroy both Matt and Daredevil and using an assassin in a Daredevil outfit (although it's not Bullseye), pressuring poor Melvin in building a Daredevil suit, all come from Born Again. The taxi into the river bit in episode 4 and 5 came straight from the comic, and even Fisk's words in the comic in reaction to Matt escaping are identical to Donovan's on the show ("There is no corpse", repeat). It's a shame that they used Nuke on Jessica Jones, because this is the story that he came from as well. And I'm still only 7 episodes in!
 
I wanted to check it out from my library before the season began, but none of them in the county has it. I might request an interlibrary loan sometime later.
 
Is Born Again part of Miller's ongoing run or a seperate miniseries? I have the first omnibus of Miller's DD run, and I'll probably pick up the rest of them once I'm done with it.
 
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