What will new Picard show be about?

[JamesRye]

That red letter media proposal is brilliant. But I guess we'll just get a dumb action story along the lines of....the Borg are BACK! Who can we call upon in this dark time to defend the Federation! JLP of course...

 

[Uhura's Song]

What does it matter if it's new? It's a bad idea. It was a bad idea in Star Trek V, but at least they had Sybok as a black sheep who lived separately from the family. Burnham is supposed to be living in the same house as Spock, which makes a ridiculous idea even more ridiculous.


And again - yeah, they changed it. And fans argued about it for years. This is not a good thing. And to do it once is bad enough. To compound the issue by doing it again, to the same species, just makes it all the more ridiculous.


Did they complain about how "believable" it was? I only saw them talking about the controversy generated when it emerged that they may have plagiarised the whole thing.


It's a question of scale. Vulcans as touch telepaths makes a kind of sense. You have nerve endings in your skin, so there is a logic to the idea that touching somebody could let you link your nervous system to theirs. And then given that, there is sense to the idea that you could transfer a consciousness through that link. To them jump tot he idea that you can make virtual reality phone calls across thousands of light years is just dumb. You might as well argue that because I can call across the room to you, it's reasonable to expect that I could shout messages to you across an ocean.


I think you're right that a portion of the dislike stems from gender/race issues, but I think that portion is really, really small. I've watched literally dozens of videos talking about the new Star Wars movies, and the criticisms really are there to be made.

I just don't buy that there's this great well of hate for women and minorities in sci fi fandom. If there were, why doesn't it apply to Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor (either iteration), etc? Nobody complained that Ripley was the one taking down the Alien Queen - because Ripley was an awesome character who earned her victory. Rey and Burnham don't.

Kelly Marie Tran disagrees.

https://pagesix.com/2018/06/05/star...rie-tran-quits-social-media-after-harassment/

As for the other stuff, the fact that it is not new matters. You have 'fans' of Star Trek saying that do not like Discovery because of X, Y, & Z. But they were fans of other Star Trek shows that all had X, Y, & Z. Ergo, the reason they do not like the show cannot be X, Y, & Z. It must be something else.

See point #1.

 

[Noname Given]

It wasn't just the muted colors. It was the lack of contrast by not having black pants and collar and the material they used which resulted in unflattering curtain-like waves and wrinkles, plus the tight jumpsuit version that exposed "Decker Units".

^^^^
They LOOKED like Children's Pajamas. Plus WTF was the 'Belt Buckle" actually there for? The damn thing was a one piece jumpsuit. (And yes, a Cup in a certain area would have been greatly appreciated here too.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Next Gen cast have not been asked to return alongside Patrick Stewart

 

[Groppler Zorn]

The Next Gen cast have not been asked to return alongside Patrick Stewart

Palpatine: good... goooood...!

But seriously - I wouldn’t want the full TNG cast to return at this point. I guess they’ll show up occasionally but a full TNG reunion couldn’t possibly live up to our collective expectations so I think it’s best that they not do that.

 

[JesterFace]

Palpatine: good... goooood...!

Your hate has made you powerful...

But seriously - I wouldn’t want the full TNG cast to return at this point. I guess they’ll show up occasionally but a full TNG reunion couldn’t possibly live up to our collective expectations so I think it’s best that they not do that.

Perhaps over time some members from the crew could visit and then stay?

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Your hate has made you powerful...



Perhaps over time some members from the crew could visit and then stay?

Over time - like when the show has established itself - I’d be happy with that if it was done in an organic way. It’s like I said though - a full TNG reunion would have such high expectations it would immediately disappoint everyone. Like all Star Wars films that followed RoTJ or the Doctor Who 50th episode. They were expected to be so epic and awesome (because we’ve romanticised them and elements of the originals were really good) that the following instalments couldn’t ever live up to what we expected them to be.

Except The Phantom Menace. That was amazing.

 

[JesterFace]

The Phantom Menace. That was amazing.

Yousa like Jar Jar?

 

[JesterFace]

Over time - like when the show has established itself - I’d be happy with that if it was done in an organic way. It’s like I said though - a full TNG reunion would have such high expectations it would immediately disappoint everyone. Like all Star Wars films that followed RoTJ or the Doctor Who 50th episode. They were expected to be so epic and awesome (because we’ve romanticised them and elements of the originals were really good) that the following instalments couldn’t ever live up to what we expected them to be.

Being better than the nostalgic value of past classics is a near impossible mission.
Whether it's TV series, movies or music... etc.

Except The Phantom Menace. That was amazing.

Yuusa like Jar Jar?

 

[Vger23]

Except The Phantom Menace. That was amazing.

Sidebar-

Amazingly enough, I now find The Phantom Menace to be the only tolerable prequel movie. Maybe it's the passage of time...but it was much better than the other two films in terms of how much I enjoy it.

 

[JesterFace]

Does anyone share my thoughts on this new series?

While there are hopes it can be really good, another part of me is afraid it will be weak.
Or atleast way too different from TNG. It will be different of course but if it's something completely different...

 

[Vger23]

Does anyone share my thoughts on this new series?

While there are hopes it can be really good, another part of me is afraid it will be weak.
Or atleast way too different from TNG. It will be different of course but if it's something completely different...

I'm counting on it being completely different. It's 25 years later and we have 7 seasons and 4 films worth of TNG. It's only worthwhile if it is sufficiently different.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Sidebar-

Amazingly enough, I now find The Phantom Menace to be the only tolerable prequel movie. Maybe it's the passage of time...but it was much better than the other two films in terms of how much I enjoy it.

I've pretty much always considered it such. Liam Neeson was by far the best thing about any of the prequels and Darth Maul - if only by virtue of never ruining a good thing by opening his mouth - the most fun villain. Plus, no matter how much people hate on the annoying little kid trope, this little kid was far less annoying than Hayden Christiansen in the following movies. And Natalie Portman actually had a decent role, as well.

 

[Makarov]

Being better than the nostalgic value of past classics is a near impossible mission.
Whether it's TV series, movies or music... etc.

TNG crew already achieved this by surpassing TOS nostalgia to become as successful as it was imo

Having Picard without any of the crew or atleast significantly mentioning them will be very weird

 

[STEPhon IT]

I like everything about TMP and I'm not alone in that. Whether the uniforms look crap or not is entirely subjective. Saying they had more muted colours is objective. Stating that you hate them because they had more muted colours is subjective.

That's not to say I don't think they couldn't have improved the design. You can see similar , more military designs crop up all over the place with collars and shoulder pads.

Those uniforms still looked more in line with Star Trek than TWOK's bottled up dress uniform. I'm convinced the only reason fans loved the look was because of the success of the film, but those outfits are simply not practical for extended missions.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I have never been in favor of a full on TNG reunion. The series should not be an extended version of All Good Things.

However, I would be disappointed if we do not get some appearances from TNG crew, or at least references to what happened to them. Especially those who were most integral to Picard: Guinan & Crusher.

 

[Graham]

Kelly Marie Tran disagrees.

Then Kelly Marie Tran is wrong.

As for the other stuff, the fact that it is not new matters. You have 'fans' of Star Trek saying that do not like Discovery because of X, Y, & Z. But they were fans of other Star Trek shows that all had X, Y, & Z. Ergo, the reason they do not like the show cannot be X, Y, & Z. It must be something else.

Your premise is unsound to the point of dishonesty.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Then Kelly Marie Tran is wrong.


Your premise is unsound to the point of dishonesty.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Spirit of 73]

Does anyone share my thoughts on this new series?

While there are hopes it can be really good, another part of me is afraid it will be weak.
Or atleast way too different from TNG. It will be different of course but if it's something completely different...

I'm right with you. I haven't seen any ST episodes and don't have any plans on doing so. They immediately reeked of the JJ Abrahms Star Trek which I do not consider Star Trek.

I don't think they even have the capability to make a good Star Trek show right now. There's no patience anymore, but there is an over reliance on certain aspects of storytelling while completely forgetting others. The JJA Star Trek movies were emblematic of that.

I also am turned off by the idea of a Picard-centric series. I think he got his great send off in All Good Things and I think we should just forget the movies happened and leave him alone. Bringing him back is a bit like Michael Jordan coming back three years after making his last, clutch shot to win the championship. How anti-climactic was that?

I'd love to have another Star Trek series to love, but I just don't think I'm going to get it. I want to it look like it belongs with Voyager, DS9 and TNG, or else it ain't Star Trek, and I doubt that's going to happen. I love episodes like The Best of Both Worlds and Q Who, but I also love The Offspring and The Drumhead. Can you see the modern day Trek storytellers actually turning out an episode like The Drumhead? I can't. I love the Twilight Zone Star Trek episodes, like Cause and Effect, Parallels and Remember Me. Do you see that happening in 2019? Cuz I don't.

I'll probably be there when it premiers, but I can see myself turning it off within ten minutes if it starts annoying me.

 

[Graham]

Welcome to my ignore list.

Thanks, appreciate it.

 

[Graham]

I don't think they even have the capability to make a good Star Trek show right now.

Oh, it could easily be done. The issue is that they don't want to make a good Star Trek show right now. Probably they never will again. I can only imagine that they've decided that Star Trek is old fashioned and needs a new generation of fans.

I'll probably be there when it premiers, but I can see myself turning it off within ten minutes if it starts annoying me.

I dunno. I got fooled twice with Discovery. Once in hopes that it would be at least vaguely watchable even though all the pre-show publicity made it look horrible. Then again when people kept telling me over and over that it turned good once they went to the Mirror universe.

Picard is certainly a draw, but honestly I have no faith at all that this show will be any good, and I don't really want to go through a disappointment of that size yet again. At this point, I'm 50/50 on whether to give it a go or not. I suppose the trailers will tell the tale when they appear.

 

[Jonesy]

I don't think they even have the capability to make a good Star Trek show right now. There's no patience anymore, but there is an over reliance on certain aspects of storytelling while completely forgetting others. The JJA Star Trek movies were emblematic of that.

Oh they can make a good Trek series, but I think it's a combination of the current trends in television today, which is it must be edgy/dangerous/cynical, combined with who they put in charge of the project, and what their talent and taste and sensibilities are.

Trek is notorious for being difficult to write for. Jeri Taylor talked about how she tried to get seasoned and experienced writers to try Trek, only to have them fail - and not due to a lack of talent or ability to write well.

 

[Leviathan]

...about an hour long.

 

[Spirit of 73]

Oh, it could easily be done. The issue is that they don't want to make a good Star Trek show right now. Probably they never will again. I can only imagine that they've decided that Star Trek is old fashioned and needs a new generation of fans.


I dunno. I got fooled twice with Discovery. Once in hopes that it would be at least vaguely watchable even though all the pre-show publicity made it look horrible. Then again when people kept telling me over and over that it turned good once they went to the Mirror universe.

Picard is certainly a draw, but honestly I have no faith at all that this show will be any good, and I don't really want to go through a disappointment of that size yet again. At this point, I'm 50/50 on whether to give it a go or not. I suppose the trailers will tell the tale when they appear.

I'm with you. But Captain Jean-Luc Picard is probably my favorite science fiction character of all time in any medium. I know that when the time comes, I'm going to be there.