Final sad Fates of TOS crew....

[F. King Daniel]

NuTrek is a bit bonkers since Spock is a full commander at 26-27, Kirk is a Captain at 25-26, while Sulu and Uhura are seemingly both lieutenants fresh out of the academy at age 22. Don't get me started on Chekov.

The Kelvin movies changed the ages of the characters, so Uhura is Kirk's age, Pike is older etc.

Although it's rather bonkers, they seem to act on the premise that every Starfleet officer has the same training and ranks are positions assigned on graduation.

Would Jolene Blalock be willing to reprise her role in Discovery I wonder.

I think she's happily retired with her very rich husband.

I'd rather David Andrews return as Lorien from "E2". The implications of him showing up would be awesome.

 

[Pauln6]

But having TMP three years after TOS is a bit of a stretch surely?
JB

There is no reason why they had to rush it for sure. The main thing that suggests a longer period is Chapel qualifying as a doctor would normally take longer than three years, even with exemptions for her pre-existing qualifications. If she was part qualified during TOS, she would have been a trainee doctor or junior doctor rather than a nurse.

A shorter period does go some way to explaining why the supporting cast are still in their own jobs I suppose.

In terms of Chapel's ultimate fate, there is some suggestion that she was head of Starfleet medical but her career was in research so that might be a stretch.

 

[Mysterion]

There is no reason why they had to rush it for sure. The main thing that suggests a longer period is Chapel qualifying as a doctor would normally take longer than three years, even with exemptions for her pre-existing qualifications. If she was part qualified during TOS, she would have been a trainee doctor or junior doctor rather than a nurse.
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Well, if I'd been in charge/writing TMP - I would have written it as a ten year gap since the last episode of TOS which would have reflected the actual ten years since the last episode of TOS, and the aging of the characters. Also, I would have put TWoK three years after TMP for the same basic reason - and it would make the dialogue about it being "15 years" since the events of Space Seed more accurate.

But that's just me, I suppose.

 

[johnnybear]

Depends where in the FYM we were when the show ended. Most sources figure at least another year passed (in which TAS happened, among other unseen adventures), possibly two, before the ship put in to drydock. I've seen pictures of the cast taken in 1974 (for a Hollywood wax museum), five years after the show ended, and they already look pretty much as they did in TMP (if not a little rougher). The rest you can chalk up to the Enterprise's tech being decades behind the times (hence why it was so complete a rebuild) and the uniform swap-out.

Good theory about The Enterprise being slightly out of date at the time it returned to Starfleet but how do you explain the other Constituition class ships seen in the series? The USS Constellation, The USS Exxeter, The USS Excalibur and of course the USS Defiant!
JB

 

[XCV330]

Good theory about The Enterprise being slightly out of date at the time it returned to Starfleet but how do you explain the other Constituition class ships seen in the series? The USS Constellation, The USS Exxeter, The USS Excalibur and of course the USS Defiant!
JB

Doesn't make the Constitution class look very successful, really. Or at least the idea of sending in a single ship to do the work of a task force. The original Connies could have been bleeding-edge technology packages that were just too far ahead of their time for the situations they were put into. You don't see even many of the refits later, whereas Mirandas conitnue to pop up for the next century(I know, there's actual filming reasons for that, there is for everything).

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

SPOCK: I dedicate my life to Romulan/Vulcan reunification.

ROMULUS:

VULCAN:

Spock jumps ahead to the 35th century and brings back some ramscoop thingy that allows him to collect the remains (remans?) of the two planets and put them back together as one planet. Bam! Instant reunification.

Of course Spock names it New New Vulcan, which leads to another split. Those Romulans technically have nowhere to go after the grand reopening, so they just move to the equatorial regions and live in trailer parks, leading to low property values even the Pakleds won't touch.

 

[Marsden]

That's ReVulculous!

 

[David cgc]

Well, if I'd been in charge/writing TMP - I would have written it as a ten year gap since the last episode of TOS which would have reflected the actual ten years since the last episode of TOS, and the aging of the characters. Also, I would have put TWoK three years after TMP for the same basic reason - and it would make the dialogue about it being "15 years" since the events of Space Seed more accurate.

But that's just me, I suppose.

Back in the '80s there was a point of view in fandom that it actually had been a decade or so since TOS in TMP, and the crew had done a second five-year tour between the series and the movie.

 

[johnnybear]

Ten years is the obvious answer being that that was what it was in real life terms! But I thought the gap was more twelve to fifteen when I first saw the film in December 79!
JB

 

[Marsden]

It sure didn't seem like the 3 years they are pushing as "official"

 

[Phaser Two]

It sure didn't seem like the 3 years they are pushing as "official"

Seriously. Everyone looks far more than three years older.

 

[johnnybear]

Seriously. Everyone looks far more than three years older.

Maybe it was the effects of all that faster than light travel, Phase?
JB

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I know you said no novels, but seeing as how we've already about dried up the canon references after six posts, I'll throw out the book The Autobiography of Jean-Luc Picard.

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR THE BOOK. Minor spoilers.

While Picard was a cadet (or maybe as a young officer), Spock gets married and Picard, through unexpected circumstance, is in attendance. Officiating the wedding was the very president of the UFP, an eldery Nyota Uhura. In the same story, Admiral Pavel Chekov was one of the important command staff at Starfleet during the Cardassian War. After his own retirement, Picard went on to serve an ambassadorial role to the planet Vulcan, where he and Spock developed a measure of friendship and was involved in the events that led to Spock trying to save Romulus. He felt grief and a sense of responsibility for the (as far as he know) death of Spock.

I'm curious what other hypothetical fates for the crew happened in print. I've only read a fraction of the Trek novels out there.

--Alex

P.S. How does one use Spoiler code to hide text? I don't know how to do that.

I love the idea of President Uhura. But I've never been able to take seriously the idea of Chekov as an admiral, unless it was some sort of HQ desk job or emeritus position. Of all the characters in TOS, he's really the only one who was never even remotely believable as a leader.

 

[Timo]

The Kelvin movies changed the ages of the characters, so Uhura is Kirk's age, Pike is older etc.

Well, anybody born after Nero's grand entrance is fair game for being born differently. How is Pike older? His age is not stated in any of his appearances, but he's quite nicely graying in all of them. Except when he's sort of smoldering.

Some character birthdates are indeed speculative, but generally we have the Prime versions down pat save for Scotty, Uhura and Sulu. Although only because the spinoffs featured onscreen graphics with bio data while TOS didn't, and whether this data counts is arguable if it can't even be read clearly without freeze-framing the ultra-HD-purple-death-ray-8472-isopixel version.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[johnnybear]

What we know for sure is Kirk is dead on Veridian Three, Spock has died in the Kelvin universe, McCoy is probably deceased but we have no proof of that, same with Scotty, who might just still be travelling around the universe in that shuttlecraft, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, Chappel, Rand and am I right in saying Kyle died during the attack on the Reliant in Wrath of Khan? But the others might still be floating about in their anti-gravity holochairs in some Federation old people's home!
JB

 

[thribs]

In the novels Scotty is missing, presumed dead and McCoy and Spock are still live and kicking.

 

[Phaser Two]

Maybe it was the effects of all that faster than light travel, Phase?
JB

Could be! "Einstein was right" (Close Encounters quote - although I think that takes the opposite position).

BTW, JB, there's no indication that Kyle or anyone from the Reliant died in TWOK. There's a bit of dialogue at the very end stating that the Enterprise is on its way to Ceti Alpha V to pick up the Reliant's crew, marooned there in what Khan no doubt thought was poetic justice of some kind.

 

[Pauln6]

Yeah Terrell says they're marooned but that might not be true.

One other thing we forget is that travelling at high impulse leads to temporal distortion so anyone on a five year mission could be weeks or months younger biologically than their chronological age.

 

[thribs]

Yeah Terrell says they're marooned but that might not be true.

One other thing we forget is that travelling at high impulse leads to temporal distortion so anyone on a five year mission could be weeks or months younger biologically than their chronological age.

Are you talking about the time dilation effect. The closer you get to speed of light, time outside of the object traveling at that speed will be faster than that of the object.
It’s shown in the season 3 mid season episode of Stargate Atlantis and the Star Trek Destiny novel.

 

[johnnybear]

Could be! "Einstein was right" (Close Encounters quote - although I think that takes the opposite position).

BTW, JB, there's no indication that Kyle or anyone from the Reliant died in TWOK. There's a bit of dialogue at the very end stating that the Enterprise is on its way to Ceti Alpha V to pick up the Reliant's crew, marooned there in what Khan no doubt thought was poetic justice of some kind.

Good to know that Kyle is still going but strange that we never saw him again in the films!
JB