Poll If the Pine/Hemsworth thing doesn't happen what should they go for?

[Nightowl1701]

Y'know, there's another possibility not listed in that poll - that Paramount may take this Pine/Hemsworth situation as their cue to clear the decks wholesale, and fill the Kelvinprise-A with a 100% new, (FAR) cheaper, not-as-tied-down-with-other-projects cast of aspiring up-and-comers. "People happy just to be getting a paycheck," as I believe someone once said of the ENT cast. Probably won't make as much money, but then they won't have spent as much money either.

 

[Smellmet]

I think the Kelvin cast is one of, if not the biggest selling points of these movies, so to ditch them wholesale - no, I can't see that working.

 

[Q2UnME]

I voted, basically, keep Pine and ditch 'Thor' Hemsworth. Then, hire the older brother Hemsworth (currently on Westworld). I'd bet his asking price is far less than his Thor brother and he resembles him quite a bit. A few lines of dialog to explain the age difference and there you go. Still can do the script you want ant the budget Paramount wants....

 

[Smellmet]

If they insist on going the Hemsworth route then I'd be happy with this. Pine is by far the priority.

 

[tomalak301]

Do a prequel movie featuring Jaylah. Then you can have all the pop music you want and Sofia Boutella is becoming a get in the movie business. Let her star in her own movie.

 

[Push The Button]

The Kelvin films are basically the story of James T. Kirk. I don’t see how they can have a Kelvin timeline story without Kirk, and I can’t picture anyone else but Pine as Kirk.

 

[Red Panda]

As a film series, have the new ones made a profit for Paramount overall, factoring in losses from the last one or two? What are the chances they sell the rights "back" to CBS and wash their hands of it?

Paramount is going to lose money on their best film in years (Mission Impossible Fallout), they should just do smaller budget high concept films and television like Jack Ryan. Blockbuster movies aren't working out for them.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Honestly, at this point. Just re-cast Pine. Get someone like Eion Bailey as James Kirk. He was almost Chris Nolan's Batman.

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Get him, Quinto and Urban signed for more films and that's that. I don't want this mess to continue if Star Trek 5 is a possibility someday.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Honestly, at this point. Just re-cast Pine.

opening scene:
Spock: I didn't expect to see you here...
Kirk : Well, it's me and I'm here, so get over it and move on

 

[ITDUDE]

Honestly, at this point. Just re-cast Pine. Get someone like Eion Bailey as James Kirk. He was almost Chris Nolan's Batman.

Yeah.. no
If they recast Kirk, while keeping rest of crew, ST4 will be an even bigger bomb that it would have been if they paid Pine the money.

 

[Trekkin]

As a film series, have the new ones made a profit for Paramount overall, factoring in losses from the last one or two? What are the chances they sell the rights "back" to CBS and wash their hands of it?

Paramount is going to lose money on their best film in years (Mission Impossible Fallout), they should just do smaller budget high concept films and television like Jack Ryan. Blockbuster movies aren't working out for them.

Pretty certain Paramount will lose a lot more money, if they attempt to sell rights that they don’t actually own.

Attempting to sell them to CBS would just be outright ‘I’m gonna profit from illegal fan film merch, then boast to the IP owners all about it and try to convince them that they owe me!’ levels of farce.

Honestly, at this point. Just re-cast Pine. Get someone like Eion Bailey as James Kirk. He was almost Chris Nolan's Batman.

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Get him, Quinto and Urban signed for more films and that's that. I don't want this mess to continue if Star Trek 5 is a possibility someday.

Urgh.

 

[thribs]

I can understand Pine wanting more money but Hemsworth? All his non Marvel movies bomb badly. He should see himself lucky Studios want to hire him at all.

I say recast Kirk’s Dad and give what they were offering to Hemsworth to Pine.

 

[Visitor1982]

I understand both actors and Paramount. If it doesn't work out. Recast the part(s) or start from scratch on a different movie with a new cast. Which means a delay until 2021 at least...

 

[Khan 2.0]

I can understand Pine wanting more money but Hemsworth? All his non Marvel movies bomb badly. He should see himself lucky Studios want to hire him at all.

I say recast Kirk’s Dad and give what they were offering to Hemsworth to Pine.

Think the only reason Kirks dad is coming back is because he became Thor and Avengers do 1.5-2b

 

[Dales]

Chris Pine was such a huge fan of JJ Abrams, he did not want JJ to leave. there was a part of me that feels he emotionally and psychologically checked out after JJ Abrams left for Star Wars. I am not surprised of film probably choosing not to come back.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Yeah.. no
If they recast Kirk, while keeping rest of crew, ST4 will be an even bigger bomb that it would have been if they paid Pine the money.

At this point not enough people care about the Kelvin Trek films as is, so Pine potentially leaving is inconsequential. He isn't a significant draw. He certainly wasn't for ST:B.

The films gotta rebuild and basically draw in new audiences. Almost like a soft reboot.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Urgh.

Seconded. Bailey has the personality of stale cranberry scone.

 

[ITDUDE]

At this point not enough people care about the Kelvin Trek films as is, so Pine potentially leaving is inconsequential. He isn't a significant draw. He certainly wasn't for ST:B.

The films gotta rebuild and basically draw in new audiences. Almost like a soft reboot.

It's all basic math. I have no idea how much Chrises wanted for ST4. Let's say they each wanted $15mil (probably on the high side, but whatever). Paramount said they can't afford it, and asked them each to take $10m discount and accept $5m salary (so paramount would save $20mil in salary alone, pretty big chunk of the movie budget which they want to cut). Both Chrises walk away and Paramount recasts them both for someone unknown who would make $1m each (so instead of $30m for two, they will only pay $2m total for both). So Paramount saved $28m (yay for them). But now they have NO star power, no one to put on the poster, no one to feature in ads. And Chrises is not the only thing they will cut, they will cut VFX budget, marketing budget (no point in spending a lot on ads, if you can't feature anyone in ads anyway). So let's say they cut another $50m from budget. So now they saved $80m in budget. Let's say optimistically they wanted to make $350m worldwide with ST4. Without star power, without marketing, without CGI to feature in ads, they are looking at $200m best case scenario. So they saved $80m budget, but will lose $150m of revenue.

Maybe I am off on some, or all of the numbers, but you can be sure someone in Paramount is doing this math. At this point, if they can't pay the stars their salary and the movie without them will lose even more money, then it's logical to not even go with it in the first place.

 

[Khan 2.0]

At this point not enough people care about the Kelvin Trek films as is, so Pine potentially leaving is inconsequential. He isn't a significant draw. He certainly wasn't for ST:B.

The films gotta rebuild and basically draw in new audiences. Almost like a soft reboot.

Maybe Pine realises that and is reluctant to come back for a diminishing Trek which could affect his career if it bombs (and kill the Kelvin Movies) so is holding out $ wise in the hopes it gets cancelled and they head to a potential Tarantino directed Trek (which would be potentially huge and could reinvigorate the Kelvin series Ghost Protocol style)

 

[Smellmet]

It's always a difficult situation when a sequel underperforms, but they managed to bounce back when mission impossible 3 underperformed with the highest grossing entry in the franchise. It's doable, it's even happened with trek movies before, what's needed is a good vision for what they want to create and show some bloody faith in it this time.