Poll If the Pine/Hemsworth thing doesn't happen what should they go for?
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I'd say fast-track QT, but if they can't pay Pine, they sure couldn't pay enough to QT to change his timeline around. So call the whole thing off for now.
We don't even know if the can hire Pine without Hemsworth. It looks like the two have joined forces and went away from the table at the same time. I doubt they could offer Pine full pay to return and get rid off Hemsworth. I feel it's both or nothing.
We don't even know if the can hire Pine without Hemsworth. It looks like the two have joined forces and went away from the table at the same time. I doubt they could offer Pine full pay to return and get rid off Hemsworth. I feel it's both or nothing.
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Continue the kelvinverse after losing Anton is one thing, losing Chris Pine kills the entire concept.
Film the New Frontier books - new cast, lower budget
Fasttrack QT Trek and see if he can make a time travel Trek movie that reintegrates the timeline without Pine in it.
Then OK the merger so this whole silly Kelvinverse thing goes away.
Then OK the merger so this whole silly Kelvinverse thing goes away.
Let Star Trek on film die for a few years.
Bring it back after a decade or so, when the brand is strong again and obviously you'll have to reboot and start fresh. After Star Trek Beyond flopping, there really isn't much of a chance for Star Trek 4 to do better. Audiences just don't care anymore.
Kelvin Trek could have been a great franchise. It had the perfect foundations with Trek 2009. Problem is Paramount fumbled the ball badly after that film, and audiences stopped caring.
Bring it back after a decade or so, when the brand is strong again and obviously you'll have to reboot and start fresh. After Star Trek Beyond flopping, there really isn't much of a chance for Star Trek 4 to do better. Audiences just don't care anymore.
Kelvin Trek could have been a great franchise. It had the perfect foundations with Trek 2009. Problem is Paramount fumbled the ball badly after that film, and audiences stopped caring.
Captain Sulu, hands down:
Personally, if push-came-to-shove, I’d go with retaining Pine and ditching Hemsworth.
But then again, a John Cho as Sulu, captaining a red-hulled, three-nacelled, Kelvinverse USS Excelsior (as seen in space dock in STiD) outing would be also fantastic!
But then again, a John Cho as Sulu, captaining a red-hulled, three-nacelled, Kelvinverse USS Excelsior (as seen in space dock in STiD) outing would be also fantastic!
Too bad Red Excelsior was blown to bits along with the rest of the fleet at Vulcan. You're probably thinking of a Newton docked in STiD. I also agree a John Cho or Quinto captaincy could be interesting for the course of the film.Personally, if push-came-to-shove, I’d go with retaining Pine and ditching Hemsworth.
But then again, a John Cho as Sulu, captaining a red-hulled, three-nacelled, Kelvinverse USS Excelsior (as seen in space dock in STiD) outing would be also fantastic!
I could see a Pine-less plot being on his "return" to the NuENT-A he was lost to a temporal anomaly kinda like Tholian Web and the crew of the NuENT-A must launch on the maiden voyage of this new ship to investigate and attempt to find him where no one has gone before. Let's you play with more interpersonal themes as the movie would be cast centric rather than just spot-lighting Kirk. Could allow for re-imagining the Tholians (plus a first time on the silver-screen for that species) and funky space/dimensional stuff. Still lets you play around with time and dimensions while not necessarily needing Pine at the helm or for that matter present. I could see great visuals, fun moments with the cast, playing with totally new plot avenues, and of course either ending with finding a "new" Kirk, or just leaving it open ended if so desired. The potential is there if its explored. Aside that I'd prefer they pay Pine his fair share and let production continue more or less unabated.
I still wonder about the rest of the cast. I remember that both Pine and Quinto signed for a fourth movie, before they made beyond, as a condition so that they could get a raise for Beyond and a fourth movie. But it seems Quinto doesn't have issues..did he accept a pay-cut? Or maybe the original deals for him and the others were respected and it's only Pine the issue because his paycheck is, now, too much?
It seems a complex situation because it's like they lied to have him in beyond and a fourth movie with the false promise of a new deal they don't respect now..but also the executives at Paramount had changed these years so the people who originally made that deal with Pine may not be the same who don't want to respect it now.
Honestly, I'm not too worried. I think it's an overinflated rumor and Pine will be there. I'm more worried about what this says of the studio IF they are serioustly considering a recast. I'm also worried, honestly, we might lose some of the secondary characters if they decide to pay the two Chris more at the expense of others.
It seems a complex situation because it's like they lied to have him in beyond and a fourth movie with the false promise of a new deal they don't respect now..but also the executives at Paramount had changed these years so the people who originally made that deal with Pine may not be the same who don't want to respect it now.
Honestly, I'm not too worried. I think it's an overinflated rumor and Pine will be there. I'm more worried about what this says of the studio IF they are serioustly considering a recast. I'm also worried, honestly, we might lose some of the secondary characters if they decide to pay the two Chris more at the expense of others.
The success of Wonder Woman probably has something to do with it as well (vaguely remember something about PStewart negotiations being a problem for Nemesis and something about XMen being a hit since Insurrection playing a big part in that)
Personally, if push-came-to-shove, I’d go with retaining Pine and ditching Hemsworth.
But then again, a John Cho as Sulu, captaining a red-hulled, three-nacelled, Kelvinverse USS Excelsior (as seen in space dock in STiD) outing would be also fantastic!
Obviously as a Trek fan, I'd watch the hell out of this. Unfortunately, Trek for the masses is Kirk and Spock and gang - at best. Even a TNG reboot I don't think would make bank.
My gut feeling is that Paramount have blown it as far as the Kelvin timeline goes now, and I suspect that even if ST4 gets made, 500million dollars is now firmly off the table. It would have to be something spectacular to bring the audiences back I think, and as the whole thing already reeks of penny pinching, I just can't see that.
Maybe a change of tack to something a bit more Interstellar-like rather than big expensive action set pieces. Give us an innovative, thought provoking sci-fi flick. It can still have some action and humour. I fear spunking another 150million plus on explosions will get the franchise nowhere at this point.
Yes can totally envision a soft 40m opening then barely makes it to a 120m domestic/280m worldwide total gross for Trek Thor
would dig a 'Where No One Has Gone Before' meets Interstellar type adventure, but theres a better way for boosting the box office... Tarantino
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No, not thinking of the Newton Class.
Although EAS, the red-hulled Armstrong-Class variant excelsior concept art can be seen here - in addition to the photo itself of the Excelsior (bottom left hand corner of the image of the 1701 at spacedock):
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/abramsverse_ships1.htm
Also - the destruction of Vulcan occurred in ST09, whereas the red-hulled excelsior is seen in STID - so if it was present with the fleet at Vulcan, it certainly got away fast and survived intact to be docked at the space dock in the sequel movie...
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If you can't get Pine back - Game Over.
I can totally see that happening. I just don't see the interest in Trek when I speak to people now. It still surprises me that there's quite a few people who didn't even know Beyond even existed, let alone seen it.
would dig a 'Where No One Has Gone Before' meets Interstellar type adventure, but theres a better way for boosting the box office... Tarantino
Unfortunately, that is still several years away, and I personally can't see it happening. If the Kelvin timeline is to survive, we need ST4, and we need Pine.
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