Out of universe, I think that had more to do with saving the Spock mention for Lenard's mind meld scene with Stewart.
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Out of universe, I think that had more to do with saving the Spock mention for Lenard's mind meld scene with Stewart.
Well, I guess that's curtains...
That’s a fair pointSo, there are other Sarek children out there
Oh Dennis how I missed you in my time away from the BBS!
Not so - she'll be remembered and possibly will recur on Pike Trek and Kirk 2.0, just as Archer is now remembered and revered in JJTrek.
Wouldn't it be Kirk 3.0 (who I hope is played by Oscar Issacs)? And JJTrek Kirk is Kirk 2.0?
Oh Dennis how I missed you in my time away from the BBS!
Wouldn't it be Kirk 3.0 (who I hope is played by Oscar Issacs)? And JJTrek Kirk is Kirk 2.0?
Not until Crisis on Infinite Treks comes along to merge the JJVerse and the TNGVerse.
Not until Crisis on Infinite Treks comes along to merge the JJVerse and the TNGVerse.
Crisis on Infinite Treks?! Finally a project we can work on together.
Oscar Isaac (no final s)? Captain Poe? That would be outstanding.
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It would indeed.Heh...
THAT, would be even better.
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Not a great example because (as we fund out in TOS Season 2 - "Journey to Babel" Spock's mother IS a Human, and alive (IE - she's not an ancestor yet.) Plus interesting that Spock's betrothment to T'Pring was by their parent's arrangement, yet, at the kunat kali-fee (Vulcan marriage ceremony) depicted in TOS - "Amok Time" (which of course was produced and aired prior to TOS - "Journey to Babel") neither of Spock's parents are in attendance.
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But no one today is screaming about that (IE - That TOS - "Journey to Babel" completely contradicts Spock's line in TOS - "Where No Man Has Gone Before" in the same way they hold certain of lines sacrosanct if some later episode contradicts them.
Asking why Sarek didn't mention Burnham in his breakdown is like asking why the NX-01 wasn't on the Enterprise rec room wall, especially since it was the "first" starship Enterprise, the first ship to interact with Klingons, the ship that was at the forefront of a mission to save Earth and whose captain went on to become the first president of the UFP itself. That doesn't get overlooked for an aircraft carrier and a shuttle that never flew a mission in space.
Sorry, but Star Trek isn't about a plucky group of rebels / outsiders going up against "The Man". It's a franchise whose every incarnation has literally been about crews aboard vessels / stations in the military / exploratory service of "The Man", with the central character in each show being a commander who issues orders to subordinates. It's a show who's fans pine over the idea of being in a soft authoritarian organization that isn't as strict as the real world military.
It fits with every thing that was introduced then never mentioned again in Trek. Like ESPers, the android planets, duplicate Earth, the Doomsday Machine, giant space amoeba, Galactic Barrier, Kelvans, First Federation, etc. That's just from Star Trek. Start mining the spin-off's and that list gets even longer.
Like Archer and the NX-01 then.
Retcons are nothing new to either Trek or comics. Ultimately I don't give that much of a shit. If I enjoy it, then that's all that matters.
Not until Crisis on Infinite Treks comes along to merge the JJVerse and the TNGVerse.
Crisis on Infinite Treks?! Finally a project we can work on together.
Speaking of such....
https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/25/it...eks-in-star-trek-boldly-go-13-review-preview/
We find out Spock's mother is human in "The Corbomite Maneuver"
I'm not sure it really contradicts it.
I wouldn’t equate a daughter with a starship, no.
No it’s about an egalitarian society that is opposed to dictatorships. I see where you’re coming from with the military analogy but the concept of all beings are equal and not acquiescing to “they” who are in charge blindly and without question is fundamental to Star Trek - and that goes above and beyond any rank or command structure.
Are you a fan of the show as well? It may be a slight generalisation to apply your argument to the entire fan base.
So the spore drive is as irrelevant as all of those concepts then? Just because Star Trek did something wrong in the past it doesn’t mean it should keep doing it.
You’ve seen “these are the voyages”? Riker and Troi knew all about the nx-01 *shudders at using TATV as a positive example*
The Kelvans get a mention during "Time's Orphan" in Deep Space Nine.
https://www.tor.com/2014/11/07/star-trek-deep-space-nine-rewatch-qtimes-orphanq/
DS9 again - what a ledge
DS9 again - what a ledge
It really is the best way to make the universe feel connected and big. Subtle reminders you are part of a shared universe, while doing your own thing storywise.
I just applied this to Star Trek arguments in my head and now I want to punch myself in the face and not stop.
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