I mostly agree but Kirk and prime Spock landing on the same planet isn't even that unlikely, considering that Nero left him there to witness Vulcan's destruction and the Enterprise was approaching Vulcan. I may be misremembering, but didn't someone say that there's a near-by Starfleet base where they'd launch Kirk towards? It would make sense to me that Nero left Spock near that base, so that he has better chances of survival for witnessing his planet's death.
Kirk was placed in the chain of command and was not relieved of that duty officially. Spock was emotionally compromised, and the crew would have been right to reject his orders.
There was a Starfleet outpost. Kirk was to follow protocol and wait for retrieval. The computer says as much.
I’d suggest that Kirk being promoted to first officer (he was a cadet) was perhaps, if not bad storytelling, a little sloppy.
He was a lieutenant and inserted in to the chain of command by his commanding officer.
I often wonder if there had not been a writer's strike how the final script would have turned out.
True. I didn’t mind st09 if I’m honest. I think making Kirk XO is probably the only example of what you’d call “bad storytelling” in the film. The rest of it is (even if coincidental) acceptable and even pretty watchable. And enjoyable even after repeated viewings.
Well, yeah. I think the film had too much 'We want these certain specific things to happen and we just contrive some transparently implausible stuff in between them" for my liking. A lot of storytelling kinda works like that, but good strorytellers don't make it apparent. But many films these days suffer from this, especially in adventure and action genre. Lazy storytelling which makes the supposed high points not feel earned.
He wasn’t a lieutenant in the Kelvin timeline. He was a cadet on academic suspension brought on board the Enterprise on a technicality by McCoy. It was convenient but in service of the plot overall.
And ultimately that one bad example from the film doesn’t matter overall. Kirk was destined to end up in the captain’s chair, and so he did. Apart from that the rest of the film is pretty good I think
Is he really? My apologies I’d never noticed that. I think that may be an error as there’s no dialogue to suggest that.
Yup, he was, as was Uhura.
To quote Spock:And ultimately that one bad example from the film doesn’t matter overall. Kirk was destined to end up in the captain’s chair, and so he did. Apart from that the rest of the film is pretty good I think
Apologies I missed that! Still, it’s a questionable command decision to advance an officer on suspension from the academy (he wasn’t posted to space duty don’t forget) just because he was there. What if Picard had tried to promote ensign Ro to first officer when she first came aboard? That’s the one case in the whole film that is motivated by convenience rather than logic imo.
Whilst I agree with Spock in that quote, the James T Kirk he was referring to had a very different life up to that point so it’s not really relevant to a discussion of the Kelvin timeline Kirk.
I'm with you for the first two, but Beyond, whilst I agree was a little more coherent, was an even worse movie.
It is nepotism, given Pike's interest in Kirk. He also pays for it in the next film and requires more development. In my opinion, that is the best part of the story.
Destiny does not imply life experience. It implies preordination. So, yes, it is.
Fair pointsIt is nepotism, given Pike's interest in Kirk. He also pays for it in the next film and requires more development. In my opinion, that is the best part of the story.
Destiny does not imply life experience. It implies preordination. So, yes, it is.
that’s made me reconsider 09 a little bit actually
