USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I didn’t think I was going to like the Enterprise uniforms - but, prophets help me, I actually rather do.
I didn’t like the teaser overall but this ain’t the thread nor the forum so I’ll not dwell on that.
I wish we’d seen the bridge though
I didn’t like the teaser overall but this ain’t the thread nor the forum so I’ll not dwell on that.
I wish we’d seen the bridge though
There is one thing I really hate on them, that black collar.
Two points: first, the notion that the only alternative was a massive ground invasion and that the Japanese would have fought to the last man is a myth, a false dichotomy tailored to justify the bombings. Specifically:
"The top American military leaders who fought World War II, much to the surprise of many who are not aware of the record, were quite clear that the atomic bomb was unnecessary, that Japan was on the verge of surrender, and—for many—that the destruction of large numbers of civilians was immoral. ... Adm. William Leahy, President Truman’s Chief of Staff, wrote in his 1950 memoir I Was There that 'the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.… in being the first to use it, we…adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.' "
Second, even if one deems it was necessary to use atomic weapons as a show of force, the choice of targets was discretionary. The power of the bombs would have been no less obvious had they been used in unpopulated areas.
I don't follow your reasoning here at all. Historians are the ones who are best positioned to see things in context and understand the "big picture." If we want to extend any latitude to those making decisions in the moment, it should be precisely because they don't have that same perspective.
However, in all the instances mentioned they did in fact have sufficient perspective to realize that war crimes were not "necessary" to win the war, and could and should have avoided them.
You know I thought the collar was kinda cool! The asymmetrical nature of it seems to work better when it’s not the same colour as the tunic for me - and it’s obviously a throwback to the show uniforms.
But - since the cage era had turtlenecks that had no black collar, perhaps the collar should have been the departmental colour as well?
So much nitpick so little time!
Hey, @Belz brought up World War II analogies to support his argument that Section 31's attitudes and actions on DS9 were defensible... to wit, that societies built on principles of democracy and human rights need to violate those principles to defeat enemies. I'm simply pointing out how and why those analogies don't hold up, and don't support that argument. It's completely on-topic. (Okay, not exactly on this thread's original topic, but it's Trek-relevant.)
At least superficially round room with something triangular in the middle... so... kinda?.. I guess?
Yes. And in both cases, the shields were down. You rely on the shields being up and operative. Otherwise, I don't give a shit where the bridge is located. An unshielded starship is going to get punched through like a block of Swiss cheese. If an enemy knows Starfleet ships put their command centres in a particular place, damn skippy I'm going to concentrate fire on that spot.
Well the uniform is essentially the discovery one with different colours and materials.You know I thought the collar was kinda cool! The asymmetrical nature of it seems to work better when it’s not the same colour as the tunic for me - and it’s obviously a throwback to the show uniforms.
But - since the cage era had turtlenecks that had no black collar, perhaps the collar should have been the departmental colour as well?
So much nitpick so little time!
That was the point of my post. I wasn't arguing against it.
I even mentioned the shields being down.
With a bridge window, you can see the captain and shoot directly at them. Not that it should matter with the shields and all, but an interesting psychological difference from simply knowing where the bridge is located (or scanning for bio-signs or whathaveyou) vs looking into the eyes of the opponent (if you magnify) when you give the order to fire.
The space scenes look so much better than last season already. Much more even light, everything's not bathed in black and blue darkness.
Same!
Omg nice catch!
I have no idea if you think this is a good thing or a bad thing or neutral. As for me, I love the reuse of sets (with exceptions because it doesn't always work). But on Starfleet ships, it makes so much sense that the elements would be the same base shapes with swappable parts and so forth and so on. As long as it doesn't look lazy, but then everyone's mileage varies on where the lazy line gets drawn.i think spock lives in the brig. just like his sister.
OK. I'm a Klingon captain (who can actually speak), and I'm closing on a Starfleet vessel. I'm cloaked, knowing I've got a three-second gap between uncloaking and my shields coming up. I've passively scanned the Starfleet ship, learning where its primary propulsion systems are. I charge weapons, and at point-blank range, I decloak and fire at their primary propulsion system. Then I go about dismantling their primary defensive capability. If I'm successful, I don't give a damn where their bridge is. They can either discuss terms of surrender or self-destruct. I'd prefer a prize, but... c'est la vie.With a bridge window, you can see the captain and shoot directly at them. Not that it should matter with the shields and all, but an interesting psychological difference from simply knowing where the bridge is located (or scanning for bio-signs or whathaveyou) vs looking into the eyes of the opponent (if you magnify) when you give the order to fire.
Whats the use of a Bridge Window in a situation where the Sensors went offline? You can't see down, there is the saucer blocking the view. Upwards and sidewards you have a limited angle, you can't see whats in your back. In a situation like the Battle in the Mutara Nebula, the window is useless until the enemy approaches slowly and directly from the front or some degrees to the left/right and up.
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