USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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If empirical thought is defined as:
“Empiricism emphasises the role of empirical evidence in the formation of ideas, over the idea of innate ideas or traditions”
Then retcons undo a few hundred years of scientific thought which stresses coming to conclusions based on observed evidence.
In order to ignore the visual evidence that the Enterprise is a different ship in DSC to TOS, we must follow Spock’s advice in TUC: “you must have faith that the universe will unfold as it should”
This was perhaps directed at TOS fans asking them to accept TNG. But if DSC s2 is to address the issues of faith and science then we have our first crisis right now.
We should have faith that this is the same Enterprise and that the (DSC) universe will unfold as it should - despite all the visual evidence to the contrary.
“Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.”
“Empiricism emphasises the role of empirical evidence in the formation of ideas, over the idea of innate ideas or traditions”
Then retcons undo a few hundred years of scientific thought which stresses coming to conclusions based on observed evidence.
In order to ignore the visual evidence that the Enterprise is a different ship in DSC to TOS, we must follow Spock’s advice in TUC: “you must have faith that the universe will unfold as it should”
This was perhaps directed at TOS fans asking them to accept TNG. But if DSC s2 is to address the issues of faith and science then we have our first crisis right now.
We should have faith that this is the same Enterprise and that the (DSC) universe will unfold as it should - despite all the visual evidence to the contrary.
“Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.”
You know, sometimes its so much fun to take one step back, look at this 320+ page thread and realize that we solved absolutely nothing since it started
That's pretty much meaningless.
Gillette says their cut price 5-blade razor is the best bargain out there.
Hey...they own the Fusion, right?
It's not.
But what they say is determined entirely by what they're trying to sell.
Same with CBS.
"We have...a word, and this is how we think it's a useful sales tool right now."
So the fuck what?
You're confusing opinion with fact.
I am pretty sure they have all gone off the rails. If they were all merged into one mega thread it would still work.
You know, sometimes its so much fun to take one step back, look at this 320+ page thread and realize that we solved absolutely nothing since it started
Give it time, give it time.
Please tell me that you understand the fundamental difference.
If CBS said that DSC was the best show on TV right now, you might have a parallel.
I shall pass it on to my satanic masters at CBS
Every thread devolves into a Primonuity thread.
Oh, sure, that's fair, if you read DSC as being prime that's just as valid as reading it as not prime.
Yep, that's something I believe they have to do.
That's right it doesn't have to mean a new universe or timeline. To me it doesn't mean a new universe or timeline. But to some it does and I don't think they are any more wrong than i am.
Again, agreed.
Well, the terminology is a bit muddled, but from what I understand "canon" means the fictional world of Star Trek which includes the prime and mirror universe as well as the Kelvin timeline, the Klingon war timeline from "Yesterday's Enterprise" and a number of other different alternate realities. It does non include, for example, the Jatohr universe from the Legacies novels. The prime timeline is a fictional quantum reality within the world of Star Trek in which some of the canon material takes place. the fact that canon and prime timeline are not the same thing is even indirectly aknowledged by the producers; they say that all of Discovery is canon while not all of it is set in the prime timeline (or Discoverse for those who don't accept it as prime) thanks to the mirror universe arc. The same goes for every other Trek series that at one point made a trip to another universe or timeline.
I fully endorse this post!
Can't say I disagree. But they can market their product how they want and they can also manufacture the product they want.
Mine's good, thanks.
That's not what I meant: how does CBS not also determine what's in which timeline?
Because that is an in-universe issue. CBS can say that Picard has a mohawk, but on screen we can clearly see that he is bald, and that's that. It is a death of an author situation.
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It's a reverse mohawk.
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