USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Because Shatner was still more connected to that version of Star Trek. He probably always will be.
It is amusing to watch the amount of disrespect TOS gets now. TNG on fans have been bitching about it for thirty years now, finally getting the chance to overwrite it with Discovery.
The joke revolved around Shatner and his character. The joke was not the Enterprise herself.
I honestly think the TOS Enterprise is more iconic in relation to Star Trek than any other starship.
Compared to battleships of 100 years ago (which would have been full of bolts and things) the Zumwalt looks way more advanced.Good point:
The NX-01 is the equivalent of a battleship from 100 years ago - the Zumwalt is the 1701.
Jeffries design is genius.
I still would have wanted the time period correct version.
I was more concerned with how people would react to how it looks than whether it corresponds to 50 year old canon.
I agree and the same goes for the space shuttle, but reality doesn't make good TV. The TOS Enterprise design is probably the most "realistic" out of all Trek designs, but that doesn't mean it looks good or "cool". All the ships designed after had a heavier focus on aesthetics, with TNG trying to make them look more streamlined and aerodynamic (for some vague excuse about warp fields or some bs).
(Also wasn't the Zumwalt designed that way for stealth?)
Ah, there we go. It's not whether the statements are accurate or simply different opinions. It's that these specific opinions are perceived to "attack" a show you love.
Well, no one's attacking it. We can love it AND criticise it. Shocking, I know.
No. The joke was about Shatner's character, not the Enterprise. But it's laughable how you missed the point.
Why should the Connie have as ginormous a radar cross-section as Starfleet engineers can give it?
I very much love my Mom and the Mrs. ...
I don't go around criticizing either one of them to other people all the time.
And they are both old.
Why is more surface detail equated to more advanced?Higher tech might be too small to see.
It has a massive saucer.
It isn't and yes high tech would have less detail (see a tablet computer or a smartphone). Doesn't mean it looks good as part of entertainment.
The F-117 was developed out of a concept from 1964, project begun in 1975, and maiden flight in 1981:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk
Does it look 'dated'?
What does it matter if it is stealth or not when we are talking about designs that originated decades ago? Presumably, future stealth craft will look more radical. It doesn't mean this looks 'dated'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk
Does it look 'dated'?
What does it matter if it is stealth or not when we are talking about designs that originated decades ago? Presumably, future stealth craft will look more radical. It doesn't mean this looks 'dated'.
I very much love my Mom and the Mrs. ...
I don't go around criticizing either one of them to other people all the time.
And they are both old.
...what?
The point is that we all love Star Trek; that's why we're here. But if we can't criticise aspects of the show because some of us are unable to hear those criticisms without seeing them as an attack, essentially being insecure about it for some reason, then why have a Trek forum at all?
One of my favourite shows is Babylon 5. Feel free to say what you dislike about the show all you want if it's what you think about it. I won't take it personal. Why would I? Bill's behaviour just baffles me, is all.
The F-117 was developed out of a concept from 1964, project begun in 1975, and maiden flight in 1981:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk
Does it look 'dated'?
No, because:-
a) it's real. The Enterprise isn't, it's a product of the 60's TV show on a 60's TV budget.
b) That thing has a ton of detail. Certainly much more than the TOS Enterprise which is way larger.
It's got windows in the pylons. that makes 0 sense. why not put some windows on the deflector dish too.I looked at original TOS Enterprise in Star Trek Adversaries, and it looks better than the Discoprise. Not surprised at all
oddly, despite its strange smooth angular lines, in some ways the Zumwalt is a throwback to pre-20th century battleship design with its wave-cutting prow and the tumblehome broadside hull. I guess that reenforces your argument.
I think with various updates the original Enterprise would look ok now. The smooth siding doesn't bother me, but the original model was not designed for the more complicated lighting conditions a space scene would have now. Some would say "That's fine, Discovery doesn't USE any lighting" but.. well.. those people are kind of mean. A bit. I'm hoping for some fx improvements in season 2.
My take is, like any era in design, there are certain companies or design bureaus that churn out ships that look different from one another. Nothing else has ever been shown that remotely looks like the TOS Constitution and so if taken as a visual continuity, it has to be excepted almost as a one-off design based on some aesthetic principles that never caught on and went nowhere.
Rather like the RL Zumwalt Class in that regard. A marvelous overpriced bloated design that is being passed over by a refit of the previous ships that came before it.
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