We've learned quite a bit about the mistakes made through various books about the production. But... I'll give you that someone may have thought it a mistake since most of that side of the model was never designed to be filmed.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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We've learned quite a bit about the mistakes made through various books about the production. But... I'll give you that someone may have thought it a mistake since most of that side of the model was never designed to be filmed.
Hm, I hadn't considered the shooting angles.
Maybe if you stick two of these on another and add a saucer?
Yeah, I think it is safe to say that and the Enterprise have little to nothing in common. But look at all the details, it would be right at home on Discovery!
Not necessarily.
I'm not speaking for the artists, but they might have been regarded as corrections or, if you will, completions. The left side of the original model was incomplete. Any feature on the port side of the ship that lies in the blank/unfinished part of the model isn't a mistake, is it? The artists doing the new versions might have simply made the judgment that these windows kind of fell into a similar category, and decided something like that if money were no object the original model would have had them.
It was not a mistake: it was a choice. The port side was never intended to be filmed. Which is why you get this curious artifact:
My comment was not intended to be all that serious, but the model is what it is. If changing the model is necessary for symmetry's sake, then adding the secondary hull feature seems more imperative than mirroring the window array.
I went to YouTube for the original/remastered comparisons, and at least in Shore Leave, they look to be there at 1:29
I don't think so. I don't think a lot of that would've been added until they had finalized the shape.
In the original "Shore Leave," mirror images of the stock shots were used.
That off-beat feel coming right out the VFX for an off-beat episode is something that's lost in the TOS-R upgrade, by the way.
They both have simplistic shapes and both feature very smooth low detailed ships. It's very much a product of 1930's-1960's TV, the Flash Gordon era.
It was good for the 1960's TV show on a small cathode ray TV. It didn't look good enough for the 70's bigscreen and it certainly doesn't look good enough now on a 4k flatscreen. Whenever it's appeared in more modern Trek it's always just been about nostalgia, not about being a main player. It's time the show moved on from that nostalgia.
Looking at the above, the Flash Gordon ship has quit a bit of detail.
It was good enough for the big screen in Airplane 2 and people cheered its appearance.
I wish I could've seen it in the theater.
The USS Zumwalt has very little detail and is made up of simple geometric shapes. She is state of the art. The Enterprise was way ahead of her time.
Me too.
Thing is, that movie was also from Paramount. It came after TWOK.
Seems to me, if the TOS Enterprise was so outdated, why didn't they just use some footage from the refit? That film was already in the form necessary for theaters. To use the old TOS footage, they had to take extra steps to get the old film into the correct format.
I’d have probably argued that we know what the Enterprise looked like around the time of “the cage” but that there are probably very good reasons why the Enterprise looked like the Phase II model - a refit, “war” variant, or whatever. There’s no reason why there can’t be an in-universe, logical reason why the ship looks different other than “just ignore the differences it’s a visual reboot”.
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