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Still No DSC Casting Announcement for New Captain?
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I've heard it called the finest or the best, but never the largest.
None of the episodes call it the largest.
Welp, that's a pretty good rundown of almost every possibility! And many (if not all) of my reactions would be the same as yours.
My sense of it is that they kept the new captain's identity secret at the end of S1 because they hadn't decided on it yet, and that they're continuing to keep it secret now because, well, we know this is a show that loves to do Surprising Twists. So it's almost certainly going to be someone who the audience is familiar with, because otherwise the eventual reveal would have no dramatic value.
Personally I think it'd be cool to see them take some established character from Trek and flesh 'em out a bit — say, Matt Decker, for instance. But while he'd be familiar to some fans, he probably wouldn't be perceived to be familiar enough. The same probably goes for Number One, actually, and perhaps even Garth... which is unfortunate, IMHO. Meanwhile it's too early for Burnham to get a command, and Saru would have little dramatic impact, and besides if it were going to be either of them that would've mooted the need to travel elsewhere to pick up the new captain. Using Georgiou would be a train wreck, as the finale pretty clearly established. Using Pike could be interesting, but illogical... given his status as a Highly Decorated Captain and the evident prestige with which Discovery crew view the Enterprise, putting him on its bridge would amount to a demotion. (Not to mention undermining the canonical info about Spock's 11+ year span serving under him.)
So who does that leave? Eek, I'm thinking it really does leave Prime Lorca as the leading candidate.
While I'd love to see more of Jason Isaacs, though, I'd be surprised if the show brought him back so quickly... and as others have said, it would be hard to explain why Starfleet would do such a thing, for morale reasons if nothing else.So... heck, I dunno. Whoever it turns out to be, I hope the payoff is worth the suspense.
You really think so? I was about to post that he seemed to me like the Abramsverse crew member who looks the most like his TOS precursor.
Perhaps part of that is the acting, though, as he practically channels DeForest Kelly. And the makeup, too!... Urban can definitely be kind of a visual chameleon, if you compared how he looks in Xena (heck, in two different roles, since he was both Cupid and Caesar!) versus LOTR versus Bourne Supremacy versus Star Trek versus Thor: Ragnarok...
According to the people who actually made Star Trek back in the day. From the official Writer's Guide (and I think this is also quoted in Making of...): "The U.S.S. Enterprise is... the largest and most modern type vessel in the Starfleet Service."
It's kind of annoying to see latter-day productions ignore that so blithely that the Enterprise now almost winds up looking like one of the smallest ships in the fleet...
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Depending on the angle, Urban sometimes reminded me of Prime Chekov. I agree that his mannerism sold him as Bones for me. From his intro on the shuttle to his final shot with Pine and Quinto.
Also, love the man in Red and Chronicles of Riddick.
Just scale it up
Make 'em sew!
Admiral Cornwell: "Captain on the Bridge! Discovery crew, I am pleased to introduce your new Captain, Jean-Luc Picard. He's from the future. Byeeeeeeeeeee!" *Whooose* Door shuts.
Commander Burnham: "The Future? How is that possible?"
Captain Picard: "What? I don't know. Q or the Borg, or some other nonsense."
Ash Tyler: "The what?"
Captain Picard: "Shut up, Wesley! Now. Let's see what this Crossfield class starship can do. Mr. Stamets, make it shroom. Let's make sure that history never forgets... the name... Enterprise."
Airiam: "Enterprise? What about the Discovery?"
Captain Picard: "What Discovery? OMG! It's a Borg!" Fires phaser at Airiam
The canonicity of this is dubious at best, but in TSfS, they show the outline of the three-nacelled Federation-class dreadnought from the Franz Joseph Starfleet Technical Manual next to a drawing of the TOS-era Enterprise on a bridge display, and it's larger. That ship was also supposed to be contemporary with TOS, or at least had the TOS styling rather than the TMP Refit look.
Of course, this was all just used as filler for the display screens to look like something technical was on there, so you can take it with a grain of salt. They even used the TOS Enterprise deckplans to indicate the breach in Spock's quarters.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/sftm.htm
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Though I'm not sure it would be best for the narrative, I'd really like to see Jason Isaacs return as PrimeLorca and take command with all the awkwardness that entails.
I was hoping for something in universe.
The closest thing is probably the discussions in TOS about "starships" (at the time, that was the official designation of a Connie, not just some generic term) being special and having the best assignments and crews (example: Bread and Circuses).
Right, I believe she's talking career goals with Tilley as they jog when she she says "on a Constitution-class Starship...like the Enterprise" or something to that effect.
Well, it's kind of a catch-22. There's not going to be anything canonical about size comparisons from the TOS era, because the show never really had the resources to develop any other class of Starfleet ship beyond (what later came to be named) the Constitution class. Still, there was plenty of dialogue to suggest that the Enterprise and its like were something special, above and beyond other ships. Meanwhile there's not going to be anything canonical about size comparisons from later eras, because by that point, what relevance could TOS-era ships have to the story?
So the closest we can get is an explicit statement of the creators' intent. It's not dispositive evidence, but it is strong persuasive evidence. It's safe to say that even if the current batch of Trek creators aren't technically violating the letter of canonical Trek by having other ships overshadow the Enterprise, they're at least violating the spirit and intent of it.
Personally, I don't think there's a chance it's Prime Lorca. I don't expect Jason Isaacs back in more than a guest-starring capacity, if that. He was a name brought in to bring marquee value for the show's launch. He's already got his Star Trek retirement package, and I can't see him being interested in becoming a Trek lifer. He's got other stuff to do.
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