What does a futuristic Earth space ship with warp drive look like?
Alex Kurtzman Gets New Deal With CBS, Will Expand 'Star Trek' TV
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What does a futuristic Earth space ship with warp drive look like?
Like it wasn’t made in the 1960s.
You realize that pretty much every Starfleet ship is based on that design. You're essentially saying everything about the look of Star Trek is outdated.
No need. I'll graciously bow out for the night. Wife's home and we're going to watch some TV. Everyone have a great night!
That's twisting what I said to find the most negative interpretation. I didn't say that using elements of TOS would make the stories of lesser quality, I said that slavish devotion to what came before should not take precedence over telling the stories you want to tell, or alternatively trying new species makeup and costuming, or redesigning the ships.
My preference would be to keep the Enterprise the same, because the original Connie design looked fine (as the Defiant) in ENT, but at the same time, it's not a big deal to me if the DSC designers want to have a little fun with changing it, because I can always just picture the original in my head, or slap in a blu-ray anytime I want.
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I'm sorry to but in here, but I think it's just a lot more then the ship scale. There are issues with STD that go also, beyond the aesthetic details the new series gets horribly wrong. There are also Technological differences, Hologram technology, Kelvin-esque tropes and writing, acting that is abyssmal in some cases, annoying in others, and sometimes brilliant, but when placed in the episode as a whole, becomes drowned out by horrible dialogue. Retcon after Retcon, and the shill media taking those who don't like the series for one reason or another, to task and attacking the fans, not to mention show producers and actors engaging in the Identity politics war, and all of that, and the turmoil behind the scenes, coupled with the massive fall off of CBSAA, and well...That's where we are, back to Kurtzman, who incidentally has been there the whole time!! What was he doing? sleeping while the rest of the crew were berated and attacked by the dynamic sadistic duo?? Pffft! I have no faith in Kurtzman, I won't until he proves me otherwise, which is something I actually would want. I want a good TREK series that I can say, "Ahh... Now that's why if all other Scifi was lost, as long as I have this and the rest of TREK, I'm good." now if Kutrzman can make me feel like that again, then I will finally be happy.
You know, I spent 6 years everynight watching BBCA after work when they ran TNG, and even reran episodes, I still watched them while I ate supper. It never got old, just as when I was a kid and teen, I would do the same back when there were readily seen reruns of TOS. Build me a series that I can feel like that again, and to some extent Voyager was like that.. Build me that series Mr. Kurtzman and I will be on board.
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The question was, what does a futuristic Earth spaceship with warp drive look like?
And you puke up the bloody non-answer "Like it wasn’t made in the 1960s."
Great. Everything - every ship, every uniform - is outdated. This should be one hell of a bonfire.
Apologies. I really meant (and should've typed) how does it have any effect on the writing. Sloppy wording on my part.
Now I'm out!
They’re are, but I still love them. TOS is a good series, but it is outdated.
For me, that is nothing new to Star Trek. So, Discovery fits right. Technological differences? I don't expect a 1960s interpretation of tech to be presented on screen. Hologram tech? Whelp, in TAS they had a full rec room that almost killed crew members.
Bad acting? Um, Star Trek. Bad writing? Same. So, it isn't that distracting to me when taken within Star Trek as a whole.
So, nostalgia? Got it.You know, I spent 6 years everynight watching BBCA after work when they ran TNG, and even reran episodes, I still watched them while I ate supper. It never got old, just as when I was a kid and teen, I would do the same back when there were readily seen reruns of TOS. Build me a series that I can feel like that again, and to some extent Voyager was like that.. Build me that series Mr. Kurtzman and I will be on board.
hmm... Nostalgia sure. It's what made Star Wars TFA a success.. Because it was ANH repackaged. Of course it would do well, a decade went by, and then a repackaged resell came out and gave all the old familiar items needed to drain the wallet of the fanboy. Thankfully, I saw it, and never went back, or watched it again. I saw it back in the 80s, so... yea.
On the Star Trek Series Kurtzman will "expand" on, I am hoping we move back to the future, new stories, new adventures, new Tech, but that TREK Formula we all know so well needs to be there. STD took some things out of the formula, then ultimately added some back in near the end of the season.. but overall, it lacked much that made me feel like I was watching a Trek Series. the whole while I was thinking to myself, this feels like a long drawn out mini series, that when over, I will be able to say, at least I saw it once.
So Nostalgia, formula, future series, adherence to canonical history if set in TOS, No retcons, and good actors, and actresses. And for gods sakes, give the Klingons some frickin hair!! OMFG that drove me NUTS! I was like who the hell are these guys?? Oh right.. Klingons...
Sometimes I would watch and forget they were Klingons, and just picture them as outer space Vampires.. That actually fit better with their design, and cannibalism.. Still, I carry on the joke ALL THE TIME with my friends.. It's annoying I know, I like unplugged trolling, it's much more fun, and NO MODS! LOL
Me: What aliens are those?
Friend replies: what? On Star Trek Discovery? On the TV?
Me: Oh.... Yea.. right...
Klingons..
Thank you so much for that - brilliant video!
By eight minutes in, I was laughing and crying at the same time. It was the post-mortem on the engine that did me in.
This is what American cars were about. God Bless America!
The notion of the visual reboot seems to encompass a general misunderstanding of “future technology” (vis. It must *look* futuristic in order to *be* futuristic) combined with a lack of respect for the audience (“if it doesn’t look futuristic they won’t understand it’s in the future”) plus a sense of embarrassment about the original series worthy of Shatner’s confession to Stewart in “the captains”. I hate to see it if I’m honest. But if enough people repeat “it’s the same ship it’s the same ship” enough times it’ll become fact right? As cheesy as it was at least “trials and tribbleations” had a generally celebratory sense to it. DSC does not convey that sense to me.
Although apparently it does to some so good for disco.
okay, I might be wrong about that, but is it possible this thread has been a tiny bit derailed into the abyss of the usual "I don't understand why things change an that scares me!" yadda yadda of every other thread around here?
If I’ve learned anything from Star Trek it’s that anything is indeed possible.
Yet, a discussion of the purpose of making changes to the existing visual continuity of Star Trek could be decidedly relevant to a discussion of the new Star Trek on tv being led by Kurtzman. If they change the Enterprise on DSC, what might new Star Trek change, and are we ok with that?
As Captain Kirk once said, people can be very frightened of change. I don’t see any evidence of fearful people following the changes made by DSC. Confused, maybe. Scared? I’ve yet to see any evidence of that.
Anyhoo, to return to your original thesis, I think you may, in actual fact, be wrong. Sorry.
so what your saying is, that thread is not derailed by the exact same discussion that we have in about 20 other threads on this board?
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It's true. The people who said "They've changed it!" are the ones who "changed it!" here with the topic. You can't make this stuff up.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say “derailed”, no. If we were talking about something completely unrelated and that couldn’t possibly be linked back to new Star Trek on tv I’d say it had been derailed.
I’d describe the current thread as having gone off on a tangent about the Enterprise changes - for which there is (as I’m sure you’re aware) a dedicated thread elsewhere on this forum.
However, as I suggest above, such discussion can - and perhaps should - be brought back into the context of the original topic of this thread. Thus:
Assuming that the producers of DSC are willing to make changes to the Enterprise, what other changes might they make to existing Star Trek continuity in the upcoming Trek to be overseen by Kurtzman? And, if we’re ok with them changing the Enterprise, what else are we ok with them changing?
What if it’s revealed that Picard had a cousin who murdered the president of the federation? Or that he and dr soong were related?
I’ll grant you that the Enterprise discussion was very similar to a discussion being had elsewhere. But the description of it as “I don’t understand change and that scares me” was unnecessary and not in keeping with the spirit of the overall discussion in my opinion.
And, as my final point *could* derail the discussion I’ll apologise in advance - no offence was intended.
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