Having watched my wife give birth I can confidently say that no man will ever be as strong as a woman.
Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys
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Amen to that.Having watched my wife give birth I can confidently say that no man will ever be as strong as a woman.
Not in that way, definitely not. I've seen it twice. Not for the faint of heart.Having watched my wife give birth I can confidently say that no man will ever be as strong as a woman.
I appreciate my wife's strength even more, not simply because of watching her give birth twice, but also watching her endure the insane expectations heaped upon a pregnant woman. It really is astonishing how judgmental and critical people are of EVERY thing a pregnant woman does and doesn't do.
In your dreams. I was there in 1977 and I came home and started drawing X-Wings and Tie-Fighters and none of the kids at school were going off on how Star Wars made them think hard about gender or race. Classic Planet of the Apes, maybe, or THX-1138, but not Star Wars. In fact, the basis of most of the early criticism of Star Wars revolved around it being little more than popcorn entertainment that wanted us to sort of shrink back to a childlike notion of good and evil rather than dealing with complicated sociological problems. It was that simplicity, that avoidance of tying it directly to any modern day political crusade, that made it universal escapism. So if you want to see it through an ideological lens, it's mostly an appeal to old-fashioned family values and an idealistic Frank Capra-like can-do attitude on life. Not the cynicism we have today from all fronts.
I get that 40 years onward people look at it differently (as all art passes through the viewer like an inkblot), but please stop short of trying to suggest something was intended that wasn't or people were reacting to it originally in some different way.
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Why is it a bad thing if a movie makes someone think hard about gender and race? That is exactly the kind of thing I got from the original Star Trek.
There's way more to politics than gender and race.
And by the way, SW is obviously more than just political stuff.
But none of that means that SW was never meant to be overtly political.
You're probably trying to talk about something else, but you're using the wrong words. Maybe you're trying to say that you don't want SW to mess up your comfort zone or something.
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Uh-oh. I see in the meantime you edited your post.
I'm lost though. Old-fashioned family values, like "My dad is a mass murderer, help!"?
So was I. First night.
Difference is that I was an adult, and noticed the kinds of political things being talked about here - as did other adults I discussed it with.
That's the issue at hand here. As a child, we rarely grasp the deeper themes in film, how could we?
Isn't that a part of art is how we engage with it? For instance, Star Wars was a huge part of my childhood and I engaged with it on that level. As I got older, I engaged with it differently, more critically. By the time the PT had rolled around I was more aware of larger themes in the work and not just the spaceships and laser swords.
Or a time honoured frustrated beta male who makes up for lack of status with overcompensation and anger?
You know that's what kids are doing now with the new movies, every bit as oblivious of the subtext as you were then?
I strongly suspect that the loudest voices "hating" on TFA and TLJ were children when they watched the prequels and missed all the political subtext of those films. Then, when engaged with TFA and TLJ they were baffled, confused and upset that Star Wars had suddenly gone "political" although TFA and TLJ are arguably far less political than the prequels.
yeah, as much as I like Star Wars, it never struck me as a bastion of "old-fashioned family values." Those things tend to stick out to me.
Far less than the PT.
I would qualify Kylo as an emo brat. Temper tantrums and all. I picture Kylo as a charicature of what leftists and 3rd wave feminists consider male masculinity. "Toxic" I believe is their word of choice. As if the people who espouse such arrogant nonesense have any clue about true and Nobel male masculinity and it's role in history.
I don't think most males who claim to worship at the altar of noble male masculinity, actually understand it at all. Much like many Christians don't understand the Bible, yet deem themselves worthy to pass judgement on others.
In our day and age, I don't think masculinity is understood at all.
That's kind of a common misconception. "Toxic masculinity" doesn't refer to all masculinity but rather to a specific expression of masculinity that usually includes things like not being allowed to show emotions and shit. Not masculinity as a whole. Just the toxic parts, hence the name.
You mean typing furiously on my keyboard about how much I hate capable women in my entertainment doesn't make me masculine?!
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