I'm pretty sure one line being slightly contradicted (though still easily explained away by technobabble) doesn't constitute the "erasure" from canon or any intent to do so, otherwise half of Star Trek would be "erasing" the other half constantly...
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I'm pretty sure one line being slightly contradicted (though still easily explained away by technobabble) doesn't constitute the "erasure" from canon or any intent to do so, otherwise half of Star Trek would be "erasing" the other half constantly...
I only gave one example of a great many (holograms, Klingon anatomy, Federation technology etc). It's essentially doublethink to try and make DSC fit with TOS in any way better than how the X-Men movies fit.
There are great many examples of how things don't fit within each show on its own, let alone across shows, and all of those were always explained away but suddenly Disco's a bridge too far? That's the real "doublethink" here, all of ST is inconsistent, both visually and in "historical" details, but while some people break their backs to prove how all the previous shows and movies fit together, they're breaking their back to prove how this one doesn't.
Some even go so far as using two different people that are supposed to be a same person in a completely different franchise as "evidence"...
DISCO's trying to span the widest difference in production time. Of course it will have the hardest job joining continuity seamlessly.
Hey, if you're happy to drink the Kool Aid and watch every episode of Star Trek while telling yourself, "this bit doesn't count because Discovery! Oh, those holograms must be less advanced in a way we can't see otherwise Voyager is stupid!", good for you. But I'm a lot happier watching it and TOS as two different things.There are great many examples of how things don't fit within each show on its own, let alone across shows, and all of those were always explained away but suddenly Disco's a bridge too far? That's the real "doublethink" here, all of ST is inconsistent, both visually and in "historical" details, but while some people break their backs to prove how all the previous shows and movies fit together, they're breaking their back to prove how this one doesn't.
Some even go so far as using two different people that are supposed to be a same person in a completely different franchise as "evidence"...
No headaches.
Good for you. Why this incessant need to convince everyone else to do the same?
I was explaining how CBS' upscaled and redesigned Enterprise affects how DSC fits with the TOS universe, as per @Groppler Zorn's post and how I reconcile it.Good for you. Why this incessant need to convince everyone else to do the same?
I think it's pretty fair to say that CBS consider TOS as official in only the broadest strokes possible, and I believe fans saying over and over that it fits perfectly despite the very obvious is rather silly.
Who's saying it fits perfectly?
Most people who have no problem with Disco being Prime don't care it doesn't fit perfectly...
Since the question was a technical one (i.e. size, design and layout of the Discoprise), taking things a little more literally, there's only two possible answers - that it doesn't fit, or that it doesn't matter.
Even before we learned of the upscaling, I made a similar comment based on the Enterprise having one less deck on top vs the classic version of the ship.
Exactly. It seems pointless to explain the concept of retcons to some people here.
Exactly again. I think some people are way too emotionally involved in a piece of fiction. And this is coming from me. I'm a huge Trek fan.
Nobody does that. See what I mean about explaining retcon? It doesn't alter your DVDs!
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I don't particularly care if DSC is prime or not really, arguments with merit have been given for both sides and it wont really change anything, each fan just has to tell themselves a story so that they will be ok with it, I personally don't really need to tell myself a story as I can just take it for what it is.
I myself wish they would have gone with either the ToS Klingon look or the Enterprise one as they just look a complete mess of overkill.
Same goes for the Klingon ships, they are just too generic like the ship of the week, easily forgotten, when the D7 and BoP are almost as iconic as the Enterprise 1701 is.
Same goes for the Klingon ships, they are just too generic like the ship of the week, easily forgotten, when the D7 and BoP are almost as iconic as the Enterprise 1701 is.
The only thing that did catch me out apart from the Klingon stuff above was Sarek's hologram when he leaned on a desk that wasn't even in the room where he was transmitting his image from, I wasn't angry or anything it just made me laugh out loud and I don't think that's the reaction the scriptwriter or the Director was going for in that scene.
Other than that I am gold really, and looking forward to season 2.
Which shows badly. Also the fact they are trying to rewrite the 23rd century to make it more like the 24th.
Homogenization for the win!
I don't see it.
Why the condescending point of view?
Yeah, I don't see it either. To me, DSC looks more advanced than the 24th century of TNG. But so does the Abramsverse.
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Nah, I'd say late 23rd, early 24th.
Those aren't mutually-exclusive.
Vilifying those who disagree with you is the easiest way to avoid having to make an argument.
The tech I might agree is a bit too advanced for a pre-TOS show, but the ship designs? Nah, they look suitably primitive. All you have to do is ignore the TOS designs, now that we've gone through a retcon.
Oh, I know. I've mentioned before that for the last 50 years it was generally accepted that ships like the TOS Constitution class were the norm for mid-23rd century starship design, only to have recent retcons appear to show that it was actually just a one-off that wasn't around all that long.
But it's not just the ship designs that we apparently have to ignore. It's pretty much the entire series of TOS.
And I actually think most of those Starfleet ship designs fit better post-TUC instead of pre-TOS.
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