All the nebulae are annoying is what they are. Why would we be able to see any large and bright nebulae that close to Earth's solar system or Vulcan?
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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All the nebulae are annoying is what they are. Why would we be able to see any large and bright nebulae that close to Earth's solar system or Vulcan?
nah it's the design
Nothing incorrect about the TOS design. Poor texturing and lighting in modern renders is not the fault of the design.
It's the design.
I think you really need to watch B5 again. First of all, because it's always a good idea to watch B5 again, and second, because you're being ridiculously hyperbolic.
Yeah, no.
From a design standpoint, there's nothing about the original Enterprise that makes it sublimely perfect or innately deserving of adoration. We cannot possibly be good judges of the design because we live in a cultural millieu shaped by it. Of course we think it looks good; fifty years of history have drawn on it.
The golden ratio argument falls apart remarkably fast as soon as we observe how many of the alignments between the ship and the ratio are off by a little or a lot. (Also, the golden ratio is, at best, questionable as a test for good design). If we want, we can find all kinds of things awkward about the Enterprise. Personally, I find it far more interesting when we start thinking of the ship as a design with successes and flaws, rather than venerating it.
The golden ratio argument falls apart remarkably fast as soon as we observe how many of the alignments between the ship and the ratio are off by a little or a lot. (Also, the golden ratio is, at best, questionable as a test for good design). If we want, we can find all kinds of things awkward about the Enterprise. Personally, I find it far more interesting when we start thinking of the ship as a design with successes and flaws, rather than venerating it.
I don't think any of us ever said there aren't imperfections in the design of the TOS Enterprise. The pilot versions alone contain several odd inconsistencies that draw attention to the design and how certain components of the ship are supposed to work or why they even look that way, but we and I specifically have said there's nothing bad or disqualifying about it.
As is, it would work in 2018, just with aesthetic upgrades to the surface detailing and texturing of the ship. Anything else is up for debate, but the ship still looks fantastic today and not much of her was drastically altered to create the DSC version.
As is, it would work in 2018, just with aesthetic upgrades to the surface detailing and texturing of the ship. Anything else is up for debate, but the ship still looks fantastic today and not much of her was drastically altered to create the DSC version.
Like what?
What ENT did to the Defiant only with more Aztecing and visible hull paneling. Let the engine nacelles glow blue because that look just works in any time period. And those changes would work. The same shape can be retained.
So, not really changing it.
Yes, those are discernible surface changes and alterations. There's nothing inherently "wrong" about the shape or design. If we're going to be serious and not simply tongue-in-cheek about embracing a more eclectic variety of starship designs in Trek then the 2250s can be the home for both the classic TOS look (with aesthetic upgrades for a modern HD image) and the DSC look. One doesn't cancel out the other and both can coexist.
This is a lot of "yeah, but" excuse-making for STD's insipid design.
I need this on a T-Shirt.
I hope they tone this way down in Season 2.
I'm not entirely sure which EP was pushing for that look, but I have reasons to hope that this is a wish that might end up granted.
Thank you.
No, but there's something dated about it. There's no contradiction in saying that AND that we love the design.
Yeah because I guess you don't think it's possible for someone to genuinely like it.
Which is basically what they did in Discovery along with a few modest structural changes, the most obvious being the nacelle pylons. In this case, it's pretty clear that the re-design of the Enterprise is meant to bring the TOS version slightly closer to the TMP version, which means there's probably an aztec pattern on the hull and a more metallic color scheme if we saw it in more normal light conditions.
Really, compared to the Kelvin Enterprise or even the TMP refit, it's not THAT radical of a redesign.
I submit that the effort of redetailing the original TOS model to something fit for modern television would wind up changing enough of the surface detailing that the Trek purists would be furious either way, and that there is literally nothing they could do short of faithfully recreate the original model -- even with the entire port side inexplicably lacking windows or surface details -- that wouldn't draw a backlash.
Well, isn't that true for all of Discovery? There are just "fan boys" who have to "justify" why they like it by putting the rest of Star Trek down. Obviously... /s
So it is an old design. Do we change other iconic designs of the past to "modernize" them? How about classic cinema and paintings/sculptors?
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