USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I was arguing with a friend about the Enterprise's appearance. He was pissed at the slight alterations made to her. IMO, it's no different than the change in bridge of the Enterprise-A between IV, V, and VI.
Not to mention the Klingon bridge between III and IV -- of course it COULD be explained away as the Vulcans repairing--or doing whatever they were doing to--the BoP before the crew left to return to Earth.
Not to mention the Klingon bridge between III and IV -- of course it COULD be explained away as the Vulcans repairing--or doing whatever they were doing to--the BoP before the crew left to return to Earth.
Try as I might, I just don't care all that much for the JJprise and the refit. Of all the Trek ship designs they just look like a collection of pieces that don't fit well together. Like 'design by committee' with the members not agreeing with each other. The result looks very awkward. I don't hate them, but they don't spark much interest for me....maybe that's the way to describe it.
I like this design a lot better, though still with certain reservations:
I like this design a lot better, though still with certain reservations:
That speaks volumes.
About what? The point I was making was about in-universe continuity. A fact about real-world considerations is irrelevant to that.
Or didn't you understand that?
None of that is true, other than that Eaves did that drawing of an NX-01 design.The final NX-01's nacelles are almost identical to this enterprise.
But holy crap, his NX-01 is quite similar to the discovery Enterprise.
Well, in-universe the TOS Connie fits PERFECTLY with all other Federation starships of it's era! Mostly because they used the same model
But srsly, if you look at all the other designs of that era - the shuttles, space station K7, all the models from the TOS Remasters (although those are iffy) - it's a cohesive design language. One that is aknowledged throughout all the Trek series. We know the Connie design is canon through visual confirmation from five(!) different television series. DIS and it's ship design is the very clear and obvious outlier here. In terms of canon representation - the original Enterprise smashes them all.
But holy crap, his NX-01 is quite similar to the discovery Enterprise.
Haha, Jesus Christ! It's almost the exact changes made
This series truly IS "Enterprise reloaded". Whoever thought this was a good idea??
Of all the visual redesigns of the classic Constitution class - this one is actually my favourite! Partially probably because it doesn't do the super obvious changes (shoertened and thickened neck, TMP-style pylons, ...) that everyone else doess on his tumbler-fan-arts. It's unique, and IMO quite beautiful.
The only close similarities between the NX design and the Discoprise are in the interconnecting hull, split nacelle struts and both having four nernies surrounding the nacelle domes rather than three. The lines and proportions of all major components are different, as is the other detailing.Haha, Jesus Christ! It's almost the exact changes made
This series truly IS "Enterprise reloaded". Whoever thought this was a good idea??
Of all the visual redesigns of the classic Constitution class - this one is actually my favourite! Partially probably because it doesn't do the super obvious changes (shoertened and thickened neck, TMP-style pylons,...) that everyone else doess on his tumbler-fan-arts. It's unique, and IMO quite beautiful.
Every attempt I've seen to produce a 3D version of the old Eaves design is pretty awful; the proportions don't work.
And as I said, it's nullified by everything else that came after it, for all the reasons I mentioned.
We're talking about retconning here, so what might have been acknowledged in the past is irrelevant. The DS9 episode is a homage, and so is the ENT two-parter. The TOS design just doesn't fit in the design lineage.
It's one of the better ones, that's for sure, but I'm not convinced it'd look very good from any other angle.
...Dude.
These two are mutually exclusive.
It can't be nullified by everything else that came afterwards, if they needed to retcon everything that came afterwards (five television series, 10 movies).
As it stands, we have a pretty cohesive timeline, built around the original Trek, encompassing 700+ hours of television. Plus a rebooted movie trilogy, and one(!) visually retconned season of a new show. But the two latter ones are the outliers here. Not all the material that came before.
They retconed TOS, not what came afterward. Please pay attention.
You keep using that argument even though I've explained to you why it's irrelevant. That it's built around the original Trek in the real world doesn't change the fact that, in-universe, the TOS designs are no longer a fit for that world. It'd be nice if you'd at least made an effort to understand this.
TOS is a vital part of all Trek series coming afterwards, and has been explicitly and directly included in all of them. You can't retcon TOS without touching the rest. It's be like retconning Picard out of TNG, but saying "everything else stayed the same". It'd be stupid beyond belief, and certainly isn't what was happening here. Pay attention.
That's nonsense. They HAVE retconned it, right in the last scene of Discovery, and now the original Enterprise fits better with other Starfleet ships that precede and follow it. So you're clearly, obviously wrong. It's nothing like your analogy, but it's clear now that you're arguing from an emotional standpoint rather than a rational one, so there's no possible discussion with you.
Only resemblance I see is the front, the rest is all TOS Connie with a bit more detail.
Not really. It's almost completely different. Only thing similar is the outline, but that's just the TOS Connie's outline.
Pretty sure Belz is just talking about the ship design, not the story.
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I like it, retro styling without looking too dated.Try as I might, I just don't care all that much for the JJprise and the refit. Of all the Trek ship designs they just look like a collection of pieces that don't fit well together. Like 'design by committee' with the members not agreeing with each other. The result looks very awkward. I don't hate them, but they don't spark much interest for me....maybe that's the way to describe it.
I like this design a lot better, though still with certain reservations:
Even the Enterprise herself hasn't been fully retconned. Most of her is still there. Only the pylons are radically different to the point where they stick out like a sore thumb. The rest of the ship - however changed - is still a recognizable TOS-era Connie right down to the round, copper-colored deflector dish, the details on the underside of the saucer and the windows on the saucer section and neck. I agree she's a reimaginging but a full retcon? An Enterprise that looked like the Kelvin timeline ship would be a full retcon and a complete and utter rejection of the TOS ship.
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